Painting my 89RS
02-03-2012, 06:30 PM
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Painting my 89RS
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02-03-2012, 06:43 PM
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Re: Painting my 89RS
flat black is really hard to clean and keep clean, and looks like a cheap primer job IMO. I say satin or gloss.
02-03-2012, 09:07 PM
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02-03-2012, 10:34 PM
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Re: Painting my 89RS
Thats definitely original. Please keep us posted with a few photos.
02-13-2012, 07:46 PM
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03-01-2012, 09:43 AM
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03-01-2012, 10:33 AM
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Re: Painting my 89RS
You're using inferior materials to mask a typical problem with GM paint that should be stripped to metal before refinish. You probably won't be happy with the result because you won't be able to get an even semi-gloss finish over the failed OEM paint that now acts as a sponge, regardless of how many primer coats you apply. Because of the incorrect application and use of inferior materials, you've added at least $1000 to the cost of "a real paint job" when you 're able to do it. That's what I think.
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03-02-2012, 07:00 AM
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Based on the pics you posted, the top surfaces have the typical fading issues. Clear coat failure which results in a dull, peeling/flaking surface. Top surfaces include the hood, top of the fenders, roof, and hatch (top of wing if applicable)....anything perpendicular to the sun. I've seen it a thousand times and tried all kinds of remedies. If you don't strip the surfaces to bare metal and start over, it will fail again and in short order. I would think if you've had 7 years of body work experience you would be able to accurately diagnose it and know how to repair it properly. Nothing in your description or pics, indicate this was done. It appears that you've scuffed it, spot primed the nasty stuff, and are preparing to paint it. Sure, it'll get you by for a while, it may even look good from 10ft away, but eventually it'll become blotchy(especially the semi/flats) and unevenly faded. Essentially you've cut corners and wasted your hard earned money. If indeed you've had 7 years of quality body work experience, and not cutting up cars in your buddy's garage, then you know what I'm saying is true.
With all due respect to the OP, this is just another example highlighting the improper way of tackling a typical third gen repair. For those engaged in this thread, the surfaces should've been stripped and prepped with an etch primer, then urethane primer, then a quality automotive paint.
With all due respect to the OP, this is just another example highlighting the improper way of tackling a typical third gen repair. For those engaged in this thread, the surfaces should've been stripped and prepped with an etch primer, then urethane primer, then a quality automotive paint.
03-02-2012, 10:25 AM
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Re: Painting my 89RS
With all due respect to the OP, this is just another example highlighting the improper way of tackling a typical third gen repair. For those engaged in this thread, the surfaces should've been stripped and prepped with an etch primer, then urethane primer, then a quality automotive paint.
Anyway, I think it'll look good when you're finished, whatever you choose to do.
Isn't that what I suggested?
03-02-2012, 11:16 AM
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Haha, yeah Pobably could've said I prefer to use epoxy instead of etch... 
03-03-2012, 12:23 PM
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Re: Painting my 89RS
What do you think??????
Sure it may be INFERIOR now, but think about it, its the best they had at the time.
Have never had a problem with the GM basecoat on these cars, just the color and clear layers.
If you have a quick $2000 laying around you could throw my way so I can get my car painted the "Proper" Way, I'd greatly appreciate it.
If we focus on your design, a quart kit of SEM Hot Rod Black is $60 and more than enough to paint the top half of your car. Add a quart of primer an hardener (once you've properly stripped the top surfaces) for another $60 and you could've completed your car correctly for $120. Instead you've decided to add to the third gen stigma by cutting corners and doing the absolute minimum necessary.
I anxiously await your "ya well I don't have $120 either" argument. If that's the case, then you should've waited until you had the money to do it properly.
I'll leave your thread alone now and allow you the final word.
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Re: Painting my 89RS
SERIOUSLY, WHY ARE YOU GUYS RAGGING SO MUCH! This is ridiculous
Is it that time of the month? or are you just looking to put people down?
You haven't seen the end result have you?
His car doesn't look to bad now way more unique than most and hes making it better to boot. And you and I both know that there is always something better out there. I bet that 650 dollar paintjob doesn't look as good as the next guys 15,000 dollar job...
Anyway I think its a great idea, you seem to have already painted a few things
and have some time to kill whats 25$ for days of entertainment? If it weren't for these little projects what would we do? I see way worse of things around here done to cars to make things work that are more halfassed than making one look better.
Is it that time of the month? or are you just looking to put people down?
You haven't seen the end result have you?
His car doesn't look to bad now way more unique than most and hes making it better to boot. And you and I both know that there is always something better out there. I bet that 650 dollar paintjob doesn't look as good as the next guys 15,000 dollar job...
Anyway I think its a great idea, you seem to have already painted a few things
and have some time to kill whats 25$ for days of entertainment? If it weren't for these little projects what would we do? I see way worse of things around here done to cars to make things work that are more halfassed than making one look better.
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Re: Painting my 89RS
There's a little saying Ive herd around here that says " Is your car,do what you want"
When you post threads concerning this type of paint job your going to be advised to do it right the first time. Thats the way it should be done.Save your money through the year/years and get a decent paint job.Since your going to have to take the car down to bare metal for the correct paint job,I don't see any reason to not have fun with it now.By the way saving for a $3000.00 paint job that's top of the line,using the best, lets say PPG has to offer will run you about $1,500.00 in materials,then another $1,500.00 to pay the (professional)painter for prep. and painting.And that's cheap.I know this because that's exactly what I had to do.The end result is amazing.
When you post threads concerning this type of paint job your going to be advised to do it right the first time. Thats the way it should be done.Save your money through the year/years and get a decent paint job.Since your going to have to take the car down to bare metal for the correct paint job,I don't see any reason to not have fun with it now.By the way saving for a $3000.00 paint job that's top of the line,using the best, lets say PPG has to offer will run you about $1,500.00 in materials,then another $1,500.00 to pay the (professional)painter for prep. and painting.And that's cheap.I know this because that's exactly what I had to do.The end result is amazing.
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03-05-2012, 08:19 PM
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Re: Painting my 89RS
Well considering all the clear coat is now gone, that first pic is when I started the work.
Anyone who has owned a GM car from that era, and/or someone who has done body and paint for awhile, is well aware of the GM paint and clear coat issue; Me included. Sure it may be INFERIOR now, but think about it, its the best they had at the time.
Clear coat has long been gone now, cars sanded to basecoat. Have never had a problem with the GM basecoat on these cars, just the color and clear layers.
Waste of money, Sure if that's what you think spending $25 on a can of paint and that's that. That's all I spent for what I'm doing. And if it lasts a year that's fine with me. and believe me when I tell you for that year or so, Its gonna look good.
$25 paint job I can currently afford
$2000 paint job I cannot currently afford
Time on my hands that I need to do something with
89 Camaro sitting there all alone, taken off the road
You think I'm just gonna let her sit there and not do something about that horrendous clearcoat????????? That I can afford at this current point lol.
That second picture is what the car looked like before I bought it, The pic in my sig is what it most recently looked like, and that pic of the car scuffed up, is when I first started on the car, looks much different now.
OK You are entitled to your opinion, so here is mine.
If you have a quick $2000 laying around you could throw my way so I can get my car painted the "Proper" Way, I'd greatly appreciate it.
Not gonna happen right?
I completely understand how the car NEEDS to be painted, unfortunately I NEED money to do it that way. Besides, I hardly call $25 wasting money.
Besides, The car will look a 1000% better than it did, and as I said, if it lasts a year, I'll be happy. By then, it WILL be stripped to bare metal and completely stripped apart.
However, that's not what this thread is about.
So please leave you comments and opinions on how it "Should" be done outside of this thread.
Thank you
Anyone who has owned a GM car from that era, and/or someone who has done body and paint for awhile, is well aware of the GM paint and clear coat issue; Me included. Sure it may be INFERIOR now, but think about it, its the best they had at the time.
Clear coat has long been gone now, cars sanded to basecoat. Have never had a problem with the GM basecoat on these cars, just the color and clear layers.
Waste of money, Sure if that's what you think spending $25 on a can of paint and that's that. That's all I spent for what I'm doing. And if it lasts a year that's fine with me. and believe me when I tell you for that year or so, Its gonna look good.
$25 paint job I can currently afford
$2000 paint job I cannot currently afford
Time on my hands that I need to do something with
89 Camaro sitting there all alone, taken off the road
You think I'm just gonna let her sit there and not do something about that horrendous clearcoat????????? That I can afford at this current point lol.
That second picture is what the car looked like before I bought it, The pic in my sig is what it most recently looked like, and that pic of the car scuffed up, is when I first started on the car, looks much different now.
OK You are entitled to your opinion, so here is mine.
If you have a quick $2000 laying around you could throw my way so I can get my car painted the "Proper" Way, I'd greatly appreciate it.
Not gonna happen right?
I completely understand how the car NEEDS to be painted, unfortunately I NEED money to do it that way. Besides, I hardly call $25 wasting money.
Besides, The car will look a 1000% better than it did, and as I said, if it lasts a year, I'll be happy. By then, it WILL be stripped to bare metal and completely stripped apart.
However, that's not what this thread is about.
So please leave you comments and opinions on how it "Should" be done outside of this thread.
Thank you
As long as you fully intend to do it right when you can afford it I for one am not ragging. I understand 'emergency' rattlecan jobs, it comes in useful for instance for protecting metal after an 'incident' until one can fix it right.
Trouble is, it seems every day we see these 'temporary fixes' more and more on these beautiful old cars, that never do get fixed right... and it's sad. Please don't be one of those!
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