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FINALLY! DOT, LED Headlight For 91-92 Firebirds! (Mfg Data/Images Inside)
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Re: FINALLY! DOT, LED Headlight For 91-92 Firebirds! (Mfg Data/Images Inside)
I stopped being retarded and figured out a much cheaper, and better, solution. Just got a couple of H4 connector pigtails from my local Autozone. Removed the pins from it, and did the same to the stock connectors. Then put the stock wires into the new connector and everything plugged right up. For quick reference for those doing it this way in the future, the wires are as such:
On the Morimoto LEDs:
black=ground
blue=low beams
red=high beams
Once the plug situation is resolved, installing these isn't any different than swapping in stock replacement bulbs. Overall a VERY easy process. Super stoked with how they look. I even stood there for a solid fifteen minutes just admiring how they look. Oh yeah, you guys want to see them installed. Here you go:
I'll get some photos of them on at night in the next couple of days. Until then, feel free to hit me up with any questions.
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They look great!!! Morimoto has a great look on all their headlight housings, aftermarket look, but with a look of class. And they perform. Really want to see your night shots. Too late now, but you shoulda taken some before (stock lights) shots as well to see the direct comparison between the light outputs.
Re: FINALLY! DOT, LED Headlight For 91-92 Firebirds! (Mfg Data/Images Inside)
Originally Posted by Buddy
Really want to see your night shots. Too late now, but you shoulda taken some before (stock lights) shots as well to see the direct comparison between the light outputs.
Well, the stock lights were already almost at the end of their life, so that wouldn't have been a fair comparison. But it's not too late. I can take comparison shots with my '92 T/A. It still has the stock lights and they're not too old. I'll get some comparison shots soon.
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Not the full nighttime comparison, but I was able to turn the lights on of both cars in the garage. Even without seeing down the street, you can see the difference in brightness and color.
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Thats really sweet!!! Out on the road, compared to halogen, the width is gonna be crazy wide, right into the ditches solidly both sides of the road. The main bright spot is 5 times the light, Morimoto made a top shelf offering in this.
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So i got a picture of the lights on and the low beams , I am amazed at the wide coverage these VisionX gave me compared to my h4 bulbs so this is what the low beams look like . Last time i thought the high beams were the low beams
Re: FINALLY! DOT, LED Headlight For 91-92 Firebirds! (Mfg Data/Images Inside)
Originally Posted by blacksunshine'91
Not the full nighttime comparison, but I was able to turn the lights on of both cars in the garage. Even without seeing down the street, you can see the difference in brightness and color.
With the reference point being only 2 feet in front of the car, that's pretty good. The beam pattern looks sharp, almost twice as wide as the sealed beams, and about twice as deep, too. And, what, 5x brighter? Out on the road they should make a big difference. Thanks for the pic. Hope to see more when you get it outdoors.
Originally Posted by 91vertZ28
So i got a picture of the lights on and the low beams , I am amazed at the wide coverage these VisionX gave me compared to my h4 bulbs so this is what the low beams look like . Last time i thought the high beams were the low beams
There you go. Bright too. I like the halo headlights on Camaros. Thanks for the pic. Love to see more when you get a chance.
I don't know from which vendor(s) all of you made your Morimoto and Vision X purchases, JW Speaker in another thread, too, which I've linked below, but Headlight Revolution and The Retrofit Source have consolidated their operations. Manufacturers Morimoto and Xenon Depot have also become part of their family. And manufacturers Vision X and Diode Dynamics continue to be represented too, although they each remain independent companies. I may or may not have already mentioned that, or maybe people have already known, since it happened awhile ago, but I don't think it's supposed to be a secret. So if everyone has had a different favorite, your business is all going to the same place now.
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For JW Speaker and Trucklite you can call local truck centers in each of your areas, they can get them easily.
Morimoto is more of a dealer thing, up in Canada Prolightz is amazing to deal with for Morimoto and Diode Dynamics products.
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@LAFireboyd ill be ordering another 2 VisionX headlights to complete the car and will figure out and take note w/ pics on how i go about having all 4 low beams light up at the same time. I ordered my lights directly from the Vision X website since i guess there is an amber halo variant of this light and i didnt want that by mistake. Also i have Diode dynamic switchbacks that i bought from ScreamingChicken 😂 for the turn signals. Anyways ill post when i get that done. God i hope it works out 😂
Last edited by 91vertZ28; 12-08-2020 at 10:53 AM.
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Re: FINALLY! DOT, LED Headlight For 91-92 Firebirds! (Mfg Data/Images Inside)
A nice Camaro with those 4 halos will be a head-turner. But you might have to get creative with the car's high beam connectors to get full-functionality out of the 2nd pair of headlights, otherwise you'll just get high beams. Seems easy enough.
The switchbacks will add another nice touch to the appearance. I've seen that Screaming Chicken website. Isn't there a ScreamingChicken here on TGO? Same person? As long as you got an LED flasher, then everything should workout.
Switchbacks are a nice addition to 3rdgens. And all 3rdgens are able to take advantage of them, except 82-90 Firebirds, sadly, which were only available with amber front lenses. Hawks offers reproductions for those cars, but of course, they're amber, too. Seems like reproducing them in clear would've been a more lucrative venture. I almost got Chris at Headlight Revolution to give it a go 8 years ago. He had Fiero housings reproduced in clear, so he had the resources to do it, but we got hung-up on details and decided to skip it. Hawks would be the natural choice anyway. So if 82-90 Firebird owners who read this will this start flooding Hawks with messages about it, maybe he will do it. Reproducing them in the first place was the hard part, so making them clear would seem to be an easy adjustment. But that's another topic altogether.
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Another option may be spaghetti engineering - digi-tails. They make led kits for a lot of classics, but also 3rd gen Camaros, very slick. I emailed them last year if any plans for 3rd gen Firebirds, they had none, but will build for anyone - $$. If you look at the kits for Buick Regals (Grand Nationals) they have a kit for front turn signals. I bet they could do a kit for 'Birds....
Back to topic, I talked to a fellow at Headlight Revolution today, asked if they will come out with a new comparo video for the new 5x7 Morimoto vs JW and Trucklite, they said yes but no eta.
I wanna know if this new Morimoto Sealed 5 is a huge step up over the others to be worth spending the $$$ over my Trucklites.
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The Trucklites and JW Speaker lites are either only low beam or hi beam, or simply won't fit the '91-92 headlight buckets. The Morimoto are the first (that I know of) that will fit the 4x6 H4666 housings and are hi/low beams. With the pop up headlights, I don't see the purpose of the halos.
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The Vision X is an excellent option for 91-92 Firebirds, and when this one came out, it was the only option. But, true, the halo would serve little purpose with pop-up headlights. It's actually a better option for Camaros, where the halos will be awesome, so it's great seeing them going into a Camaro.
At least 91-92 Firebirds have clear front turn signal lenses, so they can use switchback LEDs to give them white DRLs to match their LED headlights, plus nice amber turn signals too. A lot of good options for these, a couple of outstanding options too.
Not sure what, if anything, will fit into the fog lights, though. Don't the mounting brackets fit flush behind the fog lights, so those tiny H3s mount inside the housing and have to be removed/replaced through the front by removing the lens? Not sure there's an LED tiny enough to plug-n-play without some type of alteration to the housings. But maybe.
Regarding the Sealed5, Morimoto offered a Sealed6 a couple of years ago. It looked like the JW Speaker 5x7. But the Sealed6 was a bust because the rear of the housing was too deep for a proper fit into most cars. Then when all of the above-mentioned mergers took place last year, the remaining stock of Sealed6 headlights were discovered, and The Retrofit Source has them listed as closeouts at a ridiculously low price. The new Sealed5 is a 'do-over,' but with a completely different approach and a correct fit. Ironically, with the talk about halos, the Sealed5 is loaded with switchback DRLs/turn signals, which won't be of much use in pop-ups. But remember, 5x7 headlights were used in TONS of other cars during the 70s and 80s, where all of those added features on the Sealed5 will be useful.
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BTW, what's the illumination sequence of the Morimotos? I'd guess the upper projector is the low beam, and the lower projector is the high beam. But how do those lights on each side fit into the equation? Any images of them lit-up?
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Finally drove the car in to work today. Going down a four lane road through the farms (no street lights of any kind for a couple miles) and the lights lit the road up nicely. Decided to try out the the high beams. It lit up the entire road (all four lanes) plus part of the fields. NICE!
The one issue that I noticed was that when I turn the light on, the hi beam indicator light on the dash illuminates dimmly. Not brightly, but it is lit up a little bit. When I turn the hi beams on, the light fully lights up. I'm concerned that the lights might be drawing more voltage through the headlight switch than it is rated for. I saw a company that can make headlight wiring harnesses with relays that pull power directly from the battery but are turned on by the headlight switch. Any thoughts?
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My car has done the same thing with the high beam indicator, lighting dimly with the low beam ever since I changed to HID years ago. I think it is a function of the way the lights are all wired, kind of like how the front side marker works. I don't worry about it
The LEDs are DEFINITELY not drawing as much current as a stock halogen light.
What you can do is just add a relay in the wiring to the lights though. Cut the headlight circuit and use that on terminal 85 or 86 as the control on the relay, the other would go to ground. Then you would use terminal 30 to go to the lamps and 87 would go to the battery or a junction block.
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Originally Posted by scooter
My car has done the same thing with the high beam indicator, lighting dimly with the low beam ever since I changed to HID years ago. I think it is a function of the way the lights are all wired, kind of like how the front side marker works. I don't worry about it
The LEDs are DEFINITELY not drawing as much current as a stock halogen light.
OK. That makes me feel a bit better. Weird that it does that. I wonder what causes that.
I'll look into the relay thing, but messing with electrical stuff like that is not my forte. That's why I usually go the plug & play route. But I'm down to learn. So once I get focused and a bit of courage (not liquid form) I might try my hand at adding relays.
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I buy Plug-n-play headlight relay harnesses from LMC truck. .com I ran them on 2 1996 Impala SS's, my 1988 Lincoln Mark VII LSC and my 2000 Ford Excursion. They work fine, except after a few years, on some of my cars so equipped, a relay failed. They sell extra relays, or at least they used to. They list them for truck applications, so you would need to ask them or figure out, how to order for your lamps.
I have seen, but not tried, other brands that appeared to be more HD. I run 80/100 watt bulbs , with no overheating of the lamp connectors supplied w/ the harnesses.
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Originally Posted by blacksunshine'91
OK. That makes me feel a bit better. Weird that it does that. I wonder what causes that.
I'll look into the relay thing, but messing with electrical stuff like that is not my forte. That's why I usually go the plug & play route. But I'm down to learn. So once I get focused and a bit of courage (not liquid form) I might try my hand at adding relays.
I can make you something if you don't want to do it yourself. I can make it plug and play if you went and got those H4 connectors already
Re: FINALLY! DOT, LED Headlight For 91-92 Firebirds! (Mfg Data/Images Inside)
Originally Posted by scooter
I can make you something if you don't want to do it yourself. I can make it plug and play if you went and got those H4 connectors already
That'd be awesome. Yes, my plugs are now H4 (both female and male). Was able to snap a couple of photos during my drive in to work this morning.
Low beams High beams
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With Lowbeams ON(second Headlight **** pull ) With DRLs ON only and Halos (first headlight **** pull)
As you can see in the photos it's hard to tell but my indicator is very very dim for the Highbeams, so i am unsure if everyone else is encountering it very bright or something? could you post a pic to see ?
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Originally Posted by 91vertZ28
As you can see in the photos it's hard to tell but my indicator is very very dim for the Highbeams, so i am unsure if everyone else is encountering it very bright or something? could you post a pic to see ?
No, it is very faint. Mine is a little brighter than that only because I replaced my indicator with an LED
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Philips recently joined the ranks of sealed LED headlights, and those are them. They're for 4-light systems, like Camaros. Headlight Revolution tested them in its brand new 4x6 LED Shootout video, where Chris demonstrates about a dozen 4x6 LED headlights, including the Vision X in this thread, the Morimoto that blacksunshine and scooter have, the JW Speaker in 1992rs/ss' thread linked to this thread, Truck-Lite, Philips(Truck-Lite style), and a bunch of knock-offs. Those five I just listed are the only ones Chris gave a passing grade to. He destroyed all of the others lol. He liked the Philips, not the best, but good. HR doesn't sell the Philips headlight, so I don't know its price point. That Amazon ad is the first I've seen for it. A fun video from HR Chris, as always.
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Lights like the Truck-lite and JW Speaker you can go down to your local truck centers (Eagle, Kenworth, Peterbilt, etc) to order and see in your hand if you like. Makes it easy to buy local.
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Originally Posted by badgta
So do we have good links etc now, i tried to follow some and they was broken.
There are many, many words and phrases that have been automatically highlighted because they're common to the topics, but not because they were links to something, because they weren't, so ignore those. As for any links posted by other people, nothing I can do about those. But actual links to websites as posted by me all still work, except for one where the product had changed, but the link still took you to the company's website, where the products could still have been searched out, but I adjusted it so it's direct again. And there was a link to an ebay product, but it's normal for those to change all the time, so I deleted it. It was for an H4666 to H4 adapter, which is easy to find all over the internet. And like ebay, links to products on amazon are always changing, too.
But for your 91 Formula, both, the Vision X 4x6 in this thread, and the newer Morimoto 4x6 more recently added to this thread, will fit your car.
Re: FINALLY! DOT, LED Headlight For 91-92 Firebirds! (Mfg Data/Images Inside)
Originally Posted by mikeceli
I'd buy a good set, if they were guaranteed 10 years.
In this day and age, we'll be lucky if a lot of businesses are still around in 10 years. But as "guarantees" and warranties go, Vision X is warranted for 1 year, Morimoto for 5 years. And considering how often most people will be driving their 3rdgens at all, let alone at night, these headlights will probably last "to infinity, and beyond," which is longer than a lot of 3rdgen owners will be on this earth, so I guess it could be called a "limited 'lifetime' warranty." After that, what's to worry about?
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Originally Posted by LAFireboyd
In this day and age, we'll be lucky if a lot of businesses are still around in 10 years. But as "guarantees" and warranties go, Vision X is warranted for 1 year, Morimoto for 5 years. And considering how often most people will be driving their 3rdgens at all, let alone at night, these headlights will probably last "to infinity, and beyond," which is longer than a lot of 3rdgen owners will be on this earth, so I guess it could be called a "limited 'lifetime' warranty." After that, what's to worry about?
I realize, but did not want to broach the business longevity subject. I'd like a set of 4x6 inchers for my 1986 F250 4x4 Diesel, and / or my 2001 GMC Topkick C6500 box truck. One really needs to see far ahead, driving the box-truck!
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It’s been a long while since i returned to this thread that made me aware of all the options we had but here are some photos for anyone who wants a good look at the Vision X 4x6 headlights.
Hope this helps anyone wanting to pick the lights that best go with their third gen
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We sell 3 different headlight options for 3rd gen Firebirds - the Morimotos, Holley and United Pacific. For the 1991-92 Firebirds we supply a color coded adapter for no additional cost which makes install easier. You can also add new hardware to your order if your adjusters are broken or old. The Morimoto and Holley headlights install just like a set of stock lights. For 1991-92 Firebirds you have to modify the buckets slightly for the United Pacific headlights to fit. We have tested all three and I prefer the Morimoto or the United Pacific lights, Morimoto on Firebirds and United Pacific on Camaros. Link below for all third gen Firebird headlights: 1982-92 Firebird Headlights (screamingchicken.com)
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