Keoman

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Cam,
I called a company locally here and sent them a picture of the bezel to see if they would be interested in making a molde for me so I could just inturn produce the "pre-made" bezel a bit easier however they stiffed me. Wont return calls or emails so I'm going to try and find another company.
Will post updates.
Lights are still working beautifully BTW. Definatly one of the best exterior mod's I have ever done.
My current project will also eventually need these..
http://www.16vminiclub.com/forums/sh...244#post243244
Perhaps a BI-Xenon projector this time round ey?

89chevysb

You pretty much just sold me, im buying some.

CamKid1992

nice!!! put me down for a set or two

Bradlyj8Z28

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I'm down when you make some. I have a hard time doing things that need to look nice when i am done!

jersyboyy

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Pm me if you want to make a set for sale well work out a deal im ready to drop coin on these man DAMN THEY LOOK GOOD GOOD JOB

CamKid1992

get in line man. I have been all over this thread lol.

deadbird

That's a moot point with city driving.
Also, looking that far ahead in the city is much more dangerous. I am generally more concerned about the dumb-ss jumping out from the side street, the methhead on the scooter blasting through and intersection, the f---wit crossing the line texting, things a bit closer to me that cause immediate danger.That's not to say that it isn't important to scan up the road, on occasion, for existing traffic hazards, though.
But, this thread isn't about driving styles and I'll retract my question about vision since it's going to hurt someones feelings.

Method_z28

Im not knocking your mod at all. Were you just trying to get an HID kit to fit on your camaro? Where you just set on getting the "projectors?

travis401

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HID and HID projector go hand in hand, you cant have HID lighting without them both....

Jstcrzyengh

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First love the night shots.

The supplies list as noted here are $213:

You have to apply labor and THEN apply a markup. At that point, from a business stand point mind you, $999 is pretty much on par. While we would all like to think these companies are in it for us and our cars, they're really in it to put food on their tables Sure they wouldn't have the same supply costs, however they do have the R&D costs that they put in to developing a plug and play HID light setup for a 20-30 year old car.

Now I don't know them from Adam and have no plans to ever order from them (Im with Keoman and all about getting in there and getting it done myself), but as a small businessman I take a slight umbrage to assuming its outrageous because their plug and play system costs more than the parts do that you still have to spend hours modifying to get it in your car Also considering the quality of parts could also differ greatly, one way or another.

Carry on

travis401

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http://www.tlg-store.com/product_p/6010003.htm

problem solved for camaro owners atleast.


not plug and play, but an alternative to making youre own projector housing.

CamKid1992

Does that so no high beam?

travis401

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nope, low beam only

travis401

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it doesnt have the part built in to move the cut off for high beam

you can buy 4 and run them in the high beam spot and have 4 low beams and no high beams and atleast have a symetrical look.

CamKid1992

I'm on back country roads all the time. Just looking for my best option

travis401

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i havent figured out how i wanna do the brights yet either...

Keoman

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Haha wow I'm impressed. I would love to know more about the projector quality. 179$ to add the HID kit seems a bit much but definatly a good price for the complete housing! You wouldnt believe what people want just to make a mold for these things! I really would make it myself but the abundance of time eludes me at the moment and isnt getting any better. Trying to finish up projects before winter gets here is always fun.

Nice find travis. Definatly worth looking into a bit more IMO.

Keo

travis401

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i wouldnt buy the HID kit from them when it can be had for much cheaper else were. but the housing looks to be good quality, something def worth considering for those not comfortable attempting to make a retro fit projector set.

travis401

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And im sure if enough people bombard them with emails wanting a bixenon version for use in a high beam apllication, they might listen....

BlackenedBird

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Why do they show a pic of a car with pop-up headlights, say they work in pop-up headlight cars, then offer no High/Low option for them? Not very useful without High/Low beams. Not even sure a vehicle would pass State Inspection without selectable High/Low.

After checking my state's Inspection requirements, it doesn't look like it would pass here.

All motor vehicles including motorcycles sold new after January 1, 1948, other than motor-driven cycles (motor scooters and motorbikes), must be equipped with multiple beam head lamps. Single beam head lamps will be permitted on those vehicles sold new prior to January 1, 1948, and on all motor-driven cycles (motor scooters, motorbikes, and mopeds).

travis401

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yea, pretty sure single light cars need to have a hi/lo function to be street legal. but then again people do all kinds of things that arent street legal to their cars, like pink headlights, and dont care about legality until they get pulled over for it.

Keoman

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Makes me laugh...

When I turn on my high beams it shuts off my projectors and fog lights (because i havnt wired it right yet) and I literally cannot seem more than 5 or 6 feet in front of me because of those black bezels i have in the high beams.

My CCFL halos put out more light that my high beams LOL

Keoman

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Just another pic

Warpedsv

I wonder if those GTR Lights would fit in the camaro with no issues and what size bulbs you would need

Keoman

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Coming along nicely

CamKid1992

Could I use the same projectors as you did with the gtr housings.

Keoman

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In short, no.
You would have to modify them the same as any other.

*EDIT*
website I was using must have changed their pictures, these are pretty cool though!

sjgrimsley

Replica Infiniti FX35 projectors (FX-R), Philips 85122+ D2S bulbs, Morimoto 50w ballasts; all from Matt and Andrew at www.TheRetrofitSource.com



Mounted in my pop up deletes:


By the way, FX-R's are bi-xenon. That means high and low beam from the same bulb. Visit TRS for more info.

Keoman

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Looks like excelent work. Do you mind me asking how much it set you back in total?

CamKid1992

Ah I want these so bad, concidering building any yet.

sjgrimsley

About $335 for the ballasts, bulbs, projectors, and wiring from TRS.
Another $50 in misc supplies for the pop up deletes.

I don't plan on making any for sale. I do have a build thread on these, though. See my sig.

Chad Hammond

Can u help me out on some wireing? Dont care for the fogs im just running hilogen projecter fogs. Anyways i need to know more specificly how u wired the hids which r high/ low. And then the inside high beams. They on stock harness or did u do the upgrade harness like u were just converting to H4. And then plug the hids into that harness as well? Im wanting to just run 4 dimond cut housings with hid low beams and lile h7 high beams. Or just useing one filiment in the h4. Plz help.

Dabesiv

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Do you know which types would work best? im looking at his products now and there are so many to choose from so im lost.

Dabesiv

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Also is yours still the H4 blub connection? i havent seen something like your connector on the back of your projector and i can barely afford to do the projectors let alone another wiring harness

Keoman

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These are what I used.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/D2S-VALEO-X-...4b520c&vxp=mtr

D2S Valeo Projectors
The HID kit from DDM is like $45

Dabesiv

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alright thanks, i ended up shelling out the $300 to get the Morimotos and their whole kit from TRS. just trying to work out the electrical issues now

Keoman

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I thought i would compile a list of useful information about exterior lighting. HID systems in particular. Below are some links i*have found to be very useful in my own quest for superior exterior illumination.
*
*Almost*everything you should know about HID's
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...s/Hid/HID.html
*
Quotes:
"When designing the optics (lens and/or reflector) for a lamp, the characteristics of the light source are the driving factor around which everything else must be engineered. If you go and change the light source, you've done the equivalent of putting on somebody else's eyeglasses: You can probably make them fit on your face OK, but you won't see properly."
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"What about the law, what does it have to say on the matter? In virtually every first-world country, HID "retrofits" into halogen headlamps are illegal. They're illegal clear across Europe and in all of the many countries that use European ECE headlight regulations. They're illegal in the US and Canada. Some people dismiss this because North American regulations, in particular, are written in such a manner as to reject a great many genuinely good headlamps. Nevertheless, on the particular count of HID "retrofits" into halogen headlamps, the world's regulators and engineers all say DON'T!
The only safe and legitimate HID retrofit is one that replaces the entire headlamp—that is lens, reflector, bulb...the whole system—with optics designed for HID usage. In the aftermarket, it is possible to get clever with the growing number of available products, such as Hella's modular projectors available in HID or halogen, and fabricate your own brackets and bezels."
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Also*another one of the best HID*Tutorials I have ever read.
http://www.intellexual.net/hid.html
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Real German Philips D2S bulbs
www.HIDbulbzRus.com
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Candle Power Forum
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...splay.php?f=87

*
*THE VISIBLE COLOR SPECTRUM OF LIGHT - understanding what HID systems do to the optical system in your body.

-NHLUHR-
"Since we have the "i did it and i like it" crowd chiming in, I'll expain why this is NOT a good way to go:

automotive lighting is about balance. Your eye is extremely sensitive and lighting the way down the road is a very delicate act. HID light is very narrow-spectrum (meaning it emits tons of light at certain frequencies but not much in between) whereas incandescent light is very broad-spectrum. The main problem with lighting that has very peaky/narrow spectral power distribution is that it does not afford the human eye very good color rendition - so the things we would see clearly in daylight or in incandescent light (because of the color contrast) ends up being slightly washed-out under arc-lighting such as automotive HIDs.

The HID is still usuable though because it emits nearly twice the lumen output. The federal government limits the amount of light that you throw downrange with lowbeams because it is a major safety concern for everybody else on the road. Blue-ish light (like you get from HID and especially like the puke that comes out of blue 'tuner bulbs') is the WORST light to use when it comes to other drivers because it is the highest energy wavelength and the most prone to scattering when it goes through an optical surface such as the lens of the eye. What this does is causes a blue 'foggy' appearance in the eyes of oncoming drivers. Some drivers are more susceptible to it (it is related to the size of the pupil...).

So why is it bad to put HID capsules in incandescent housings? Because like I said above, the federal government limits how much light you can throw downrange - so with HID the TRUE benefit of all that extra lumen output is not legally utilized (nor is it the responsible/safe thing to do for oncoming drivers). Housings for incandescent bulbs are designed to optimize as much light as they can downrange. HID housings aim to throw similar amounts downrange but then they have a bunch of extra light to deal with - and almost all OEMs choose to distribute that light to the sides of the pattern, thus affording massively more visibility on the roadside (kind of like with foglights). They try NOT to brightly illuminate the foreground though - because that is BAD BAD BAD for the driver.

A bright foreground LOOKS amazing to the driver - he will think he has terrific lighting but when it comes down to it, all that extra light close to the bumper will have the overall effect of causing your pupils to restrict in reaction to the bright light, leading to LESS visibility at distance. So you now have a setup that you THINK is superior lighting and so you are encouraged to think you can see all when in fact you see less. Very insidious.

Now when you have an HID kit installed in an incandescent-optimized housing, you have the choice to do two things:
1) leave them aimed up, say '**** it' for oncoming drivers and completely blind everyone. This is what ricers do.
2) aim them low to avoid blinding everybody but you now have an ultra-illuminated foreground and very poor forward lighting.

The choice is yours. Go with an "HID Kit" or do it right and install a complete light optimized for HID on US roads.

84BurntZ28

Thanks to your youtube video that I stumbled upon... I did the same thing









6000k D2S bulbs with 35W ballasts... I like your Halo idea as well, and might do that to my brights after I get my projectors brights wired correctly haha

Keoman

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Hey 84 that turned out really nice!
What kind of projectors did you use?

Glad you joined the HID projector club! haha.

The more I drive, the more I've noticed that Non-HID lighting sucks, good halogens seem to strain the eyes of oncoming drivers, stuff like sylvania silverstar's just make people mad and non projector HID's are like staring into a blue sun. Wish they would mandate projectors w/ cutoff's in new cars.

Dabesiv

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Idk if it's mandated but it seems like more and more new cars are going with HID, they are the logical choice for safety and price. But I hate those stupid people who want the look of a 6000k xenon without going through the effort of installing a projector and blind all of us driving.

84BurntZ28

OH MAN, they're so much nicer. Now that I've got projectors I don't know how I could see before haha. I put out a video as well on youtube showing the build process and the difference between the projectors and the "projector style" ones.

84BurntZ28

I used some Morimoto mini D2S projectors, though... what's so mini about them, they're 5" long haha

Keoman

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Its funny, my buddy is putting E55's in his old truck and brought them over to get some advice. Its amazing to see how BIG they can actually get, given they are bi-xeonon. I bet his are at least an inch longer and probably at least that much more in diameter.

BlueZee28

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I'm almost done with mine. My harness and bulbs have been shipped but I haven't got them yet. I want to be able to post "after" pics! lol

Keoman

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That's great! I'll look for the pics in your thread. You ended up finding shrouds then I take it?

BlueZee28

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Yea I ended up using the mini gatling guns from TRS.

KG427KG427

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What's the difference between 5000k 8000k 10000k

And I'm getting 55wat

travis401

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the color of the light

Keoman

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There are a lot more bulbs in between these listed but you get the idea.

jpearcy1

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Looks great, but how can you tell a difference between fake projectors from actual real ones? or where to buy some at?