galletti

I contancted Boyd Coddinton Wheels. This is a copy/paste of our exchange:

Marcos Galletti wrote:

Hi there,
I understand that you can manufacture custom wheels. A group of us at thirdgen.org are interested in OEM style wheels for the 88-90 IROC. They are the ones that have two lines down each of the 5 spokes. No one seems to make these in 17's. Most are interested in getting these in 9.5" width. Would you be able to make these? If so, approximately for how much? Would the amount of orders affect the price? Once you have the design, would other widths be different prices? If you got the design in a CAD file from one of us, would it reduce the cost? Thanks for your time and attention.
Later,
Marcos

YES WE CAN MAKE THEM, HOW MANY DO YOU WANT THAT IS VERY INPORTANT TO THE COST OF THE WHEEL. OUR 17X9.5 IN BITCHEN IS $354.50 EACH ORDER 20 AND IT WOULD DROP THE PRICE 25% $265.88 NOW THIS IS FOR OUR WHEELS I WOULD NEED A PIC TO QUOTE IT.


So basically, their usual cost would be around $354.50 or $1418 for only one set. However, if we find 5 people who order 4 wheels each, the price would be $265.88 or $1063.52 for each set. I assume shipping is additional. I need a good picture of the wheel in order to send it to them. If anyone can provide it, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

MetalliCamaroRS

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You're welcome to use anything on my cardomain page. These are the only close up rim shots I have though:





And this one shows them pretty well:



Hope that helps.

kretos

17' irocs would be nice, i love my 16's though

galletti

SWEET! Thanks for the pics. BTW, you have an awesome looking ride.

MetalliCamaroRS

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Thank you very much

If they need any other angles, just let me know and I can snap some for you. I'd like to see them make some, even if I wouldn't buy them quite yet.

ScottyRS

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http://store.summitracing.com/defaul...tt=IROC+wheels


Dante Designs IROC wheels. Polished or chrome.

galletti

Yeah, those look great and thanks for the suggestion. However, our interest is to keep the cars looking as stock as possible. Also, using wider rims for traction is also an interest. No one makes the two line IROC rims (88-90) in 17x9.5 or wider. That's why were working to get these custom made.

Kandied91z

iTrader: (7)

alot of money for what your going to get but interesting all the same...go for it.

galletti

I don't know if this price were to get us wheels that are not availbable anywhere exactly like we want them, the price is more that fair. Definitely not too much money for a custom set of wheels. However, as it turns out, this just took a horrible turn since, when the guys at Coddington saw the pictures of the rims, they said it would take a really thick piece to make the hub center section and that each wheel would be $2,000!!!!!!!!!!!! So, NO CUSTOM ORDER FROM THEM.

galletti

Since the price at Coddington's was prohibitive, I contacted Norris Boyd. We need to find 10 people who will commit to this group purchase. This has been our exchange so far. Any questions email or PM me. Thanks.

Norris,
Thanks for the info. I'm guessing I can get people to commit about $500 each. That way they won't walk away half way through. I'm hoping that they'll be willing to wait the 6 months after shelling out the money though. I'll start inquiries as soon as thirdgen.org comes back online. There seems to be a problem with the web site.


On Wednesday, October 13, 2004, at 01:09 PM, Norris Boyd wrote:

Marcos

The $600 is part of the $5,000. We won't need all of the money up front for
the bulk order. Just enough of a deposit so that nobody will walk away.
Tricky part is approval of the first wheel if every body is widely separated
geographically. You may have to take that on your shoulders. We could have
everybody approve the CAD drawing/rendering. Easy to do electronically.
Then we machine and assemble first wheel. Someone has to say it's what I
want and then we do the run of 10 sets once we have deposits from everyone.
Also we'll use the first wheel to fine tune fitment.

One place that will be a problem is the finish of the centers. My pricing
is for silver powder coat with polished outer rims. Somebody is going to
want a different color, a polished center or a chromed center. So keep your
discussions with people flexible. Don't get yourself in any holes. Pricing
estimate is for today. We've had two aluminum increases in the last month
and if we can't use a stock forged blank, that will drive up the price.

Thanks for the pics. One last thought. This will be a 6 month process.

Sorry this is short, I got some stuff to do out of the office.

Norris
Motorsport Specialties, Inc.
Importer and Distributor for Compomotive Wheels in the United States
For mail use: mailto:NDBoyd@usacomp.com
Our web site is at: http://www.usacomp.com/

-----Original Message-----
From: Marcos Galletti [mailto:galletti@prtc.net]
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 6:51 PM
To: NDBoyd@usacomp.com
Subject: Re: Wheel fitment

Norris,
Thanks for the quick response. I think most of the guys that want to
order the wheels will be happy with 17x9.5 with 5.5 inch backspacing
since we've seen them work on the magazine I mentioned before. In my
case, I am trying to maximize wheel width. The dimensions I gave you
before are from a guy who did this but had to beat his inner rear
fender wells to heck. I'm not sure I want to do that so the above
spacing will probably work for me as well. But you never know...
Anyway, I totally agree about the wheels sticking in in the front and
out in the back, they look horrible!!!
As far as the development of the wheel, I'd need your suggestions.
First, I'm including some pictures for the wheel so you have a real
good idea of how it goes. I guess the first step is the CAD design. Is
the $600 aside from the $5000 for the first wheel? Would you need the
amount for all the 10 wheels in order to start production? I'm pretty
sure I can get 10 guys interested in the wheels. Problem is, I'm gonna
have a hard time convincing them to get me all this money ahead of time
in order to get the discount but I'll try. Any suggestions on this
would be great.
Thanks again,
Marcos

On Tuesday, October 12, 2004, at 01:55 PM, Norris Boyd wrote:

Marcos

Thanks for getting back to me.

There are a couple of things to consider when you are looking in
backspace
dimensions. There is a maximum dimension, which if the wheel exceeds,
it
will hit something. There is also a maximum frontspace to mention (I
have
attached an illustration so we have our terms right). How wide of a
wheel
we can fit on a car depends on these two measurements. If we're not
trying
to maximize width, then we can use the backspace dimension to position
the
wheel in the wheel well. Normally, we attempt to position the wheels
so
that the tires are the same distance, front and rear, from the wheel
well
lip. In our opinion, there is nothing tackier then the front wheel
buried
inside the wheel well and the rear wheel sticking out beyond it to
wheel
well lip.

Anyway, we can work on that later.

I have attached a quick and dirty picture of what the IROC wheel might
look
like in a three-piece, modular configuration. The three-piece
configuration
would give us the advantage of being able to build any width and
backspace
configuration we need. Typically, on small runs of wheels (less than
100)
the center would be machined from a forged blank.

It will take about $5,000 to manufacture the first wheel. If we run
that
out over 10 sets it would look like this. Retail price on one set of
modular 17 inch wheels - $1,750. 10% volume discount would bring that
to
$1,575 per set. Spread the development cost at $500 per set and you
would
be looking at $2,075 per set. Order 20 sets and we will absorb the
development cost and give you a 15% discount or $1,487.50 per set.

The above numbers are rough and we reserve the right to change them.
However, it does give you a rough idea of the numbers. You can also
choose
to own the wheel by paying the $5,000 and recoup the cost anyway you
see
fit.

Keep in mind that this is a very high-quality wheel. Forged center
and 6061
heat treated aluminum rims.

It will take about $600 to produced a CAD drawing that would be a very
accurate rendition of the finished product.

I hope this information is useful. If you would like to discuss it
further,
please let me know.

Thanks again for your interest.

Norris
Motorsport Specialties, Inc.
Importer and Distributor for Compomotive Wheels in the United States
For mail use: mailto:NDBoyd@usacomp.com
Our web site is at: http://www.usacomp.com/

-----Original Message-----
From: galletti [mailto:galletti@prtc.net]
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 10:17 PM
To: NDBoyd@usacomp.com
Subject: RE: Wheel fitment

Thanks for the help. I am acutally looking around for prices for
someone
who can reproduce 88-90 IROC Wheels. They are the ones with the two
lines down each spoke. No one makes these in 17x9.5. There's a group of
us at thirdgen.org who are interested in a set. According to Chevy High
Performance Magazine, they need to have a 5.5 in backspace to work but
as seen by your calculations, there is a bit of leeway. If you could
make these, how much would they be? If you need a picture, I can get it
to you. Thanks again to your time and attention.
Marcos

Kandied91z

iTrader: (7)

well 1500 for a small number set of a wheel isn't bad. if they are making them a 3 piece design out of billet then that's excellent. i wouldn't mind having a set in 17 but not 9.5 all around.

good luck with it, hope it works out for you.

galletti

From what I understad, making them 3 piece he can make them any width and offset you are interested in. What size would you prefer?

Kandied91z

iTrader: (7)

3 piece is nice but that means you'll need rivets of some sort in the face of the wheel. i prefer the 2 piece which allows the offset/backspacing to be custom with every set but with a cleaner design.

i think you should stick to one size setup for such a group order otherwise you'll run into problems. 9.5 is just to wide up front for a lowered vehicle so it would never work for a car like mine.

galletti

That sound right. I have to admit my ignorance because I didn't know a three piece required the rivets. That's definitely not what I'm looking for either. I guess I'll keep looking.

Kandied91z

iTrader: (7)

it's not a big deal, something that should be taken into account. the price boyd quoted you is not far off from a respectable amount and personally i've never heard of your last contact but even disliking boyd coddington i'd rather have his shop do the wheels then some no name to save a hundred or so on a one off design.

$500 is not unreasonable to ask for a down payment on such an item. if you can get your 10 people i'm sure almost any company will accomodate you. try emailing intro wheels, they make a great wheel like boyd as well.