Stangaholic

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Stangaholic

Its a car man, you guys still like cars dont you? Good lord. I like Camaros, Firebirds and Transams(why I come to this site) and I like other muscle cars, you can't tell me that thirdgens are the only cars you like!

Jokerman

I was never a huge mustang fan with the exception of the Fox bodies the Boss 302 and 429 and the Mach 1 (69-70). Out side of that maybe the 03 cobra. Your car looks pretty damned sweet though. Love the color, a nice simple clean green.

Meat Curtains

I can't speak for everyone, but, yes, I still like cars.

Just not cars that look like Escorts. Sorry, not a 'stang fan.

Nice car(?), though.

Stangaholic

Thanks man. I LOVE the machs too, I went to a car show last year and I saw a Green mach 1, most beautiful car I had ever seen and it was my LAST picture! Some fat bitch got in the way right as I snapped it and took up half the damn car! I could have shot her *** for that ****!!!

Did you say 03' Cobra? I will own one someday, in my dreams!

Stangaholic

"Just not cars that look like Escorts."

Your entitled to your own opinion

Meat Curtains

Thanks... I'm not trying to be rude or anything. As far as Mustangs go, I did say you have a nice one. I've just never been a Ford fan, and even less of a Mustang fan. But I can appreciate the time put into cars, and respect people who care about their cars. I hope I didn't come across wrong.

Stangaholic

Im just givin ya a hard time man

BadBowtie88

Slick car man, but, you need to do somethin to make it different. Big reason I'm not a Stang fan is that noone does anything to make them different. Get you a cobra wing and bumper and some rims. What all you got done under the hood?

MdFormula350

nice looking, stangs are nice cars.

SOLID LIFTER

Nice 'stang. What's done to it?

Stangaholic

Pretty stock right now, I just ordered quite a few parts(headers,H pipe w/ no cats, 2.5" mac exhaust, Nitto 555R Drag radials and 3.73s) and besides that the car just has a king cobra clutch and a K&N air filter. Bone stock it went 14.92 in the 1/4, can't wait to test it out when I get all of this stuff on next week.

bigals87z28

ohhh look.. its another one .... I swear, mustangs are A-Sexual... ill see one, blink, and then there will be 3 more... Im not a fan of the mustang by any stretch of the imagination. Nice burn out? Good thing chevy developed that 302 for you guys. I dont think this belongs here... Oh well... nice to have ya with us. I love cars, just not mustangs... There the Devil...

B4Ctom1

since this post will get a lock anyminute if I dont steer it back into the realm of tech let me attempt it. Know your enemy fellows. AKA: Stang, GT, LX, Five-Oh, 5.0, Mustang, Mustink, Mustank, Stang-Banger. What to watch out for. Very simple, These cars were produced in #'s doubling the combined production of Camaro's and Firebird's throughout the 80's, 90's and beyond. Don't let the 302 CID engine size fool you. They are nothing like a 305. The engine is a 4" bore (like our 350's) but it utilizes a 3.00" stroke crank (smaller than our 3.48" stroke found in both 305's and 350's). It has a rod that is 5.090" long which is short compared to the 350 and 305's 5.7" long rod. The kicker is the piston. The pistons used in these cars are actually TRW forged pistons from 1985 to 1991 or 92 (allowing massive doses of N2O or boost on a stock motor). These pistons combined with the short stroke actually travel through the bore at a speed (i.e. "piston speed") much slower than our 3.48" stroked motor for any given RPM. The rod although short is made of the same material as our's (1038 forged factory steel), it's "shortness" helps to keep its weight reduced (which reduces crank stresses) and allows for the force of the weight of the swinging piston to be distributed along a shank that has a much better thickness vs. lenth ratio allowing high RPM's to be acheived even with the heavy pistons. The transmission is a simple T-5, these trannys will survive in a mustang a reletively long time into the 12 second zone which shows one of the inherent weaknesses of the shorter 302's (5.0) stroke. It lacks the torque even when mildly modified to match even a 305 TPI motor. It makes up for this with HP at a higher RPM. The rear end of a mustnag is a 10 bolt. mustnags utilized a ford 7.5" ring and pinion (similar in streangth and weakness to our 7.5/7.625" rear ends) until around 86 when they got an 8.8" ring and pinion (except for V6 and 4 cyl). This 8.8" ring and pinion is very strong. You must consider that a 12 bolt chevy is 8.875". Almost every 8.8" ford rear end ever made for mustangs or trucks is posi, and all the 7.5" in V8 mustangs are posi too. There are Mustangs running a modified (axles, gears, posi's) running in the 8's with these same 8.8" rear ends. The good news is that 2.73 and 3.08 gears were the standard for LX an GT (the V8's) with cobras getting the 3.27's. The GT is widely accepted as the heavier car and the LX model (pictured above) being the lighter street fighter. The LX "notch back coupe" has a trunk instead of heavy hatch and glass and is the lightest of these. Most V8 "notchbacks are ex-highway patrols but not all. most of the highway patrol cars came with autos but not all. The auto in mustnags is called an AOD (Automatic Over Drive) and is 4 speed like the 700. It suffers from poor poor gearing, unlike our 700 which has a 3.06 first gear. They are also very weak but unlike our 700s can be fully rebuilt to withstand 800+ hp and have a transbrake added (Lentech). The poor gearing is compouded with the AOD's heavyness and HP loss, AOD owners are generally slower for these reasons. in like 87 Mass Air engine management was added to the EFI that was added in 85/86 but only in cop cars. in around 90 the Mass air was added to all the 5.0's. Before this the only cams that could be added were crane or ford motorsport "computer calibrated" cams. Now with Mass Air virtually any cam could be added. Mustangs got hydraulic rollers like ours back in around 1984 with athe debut of the HO carbed model. A downfall of these cars is the lack of adjustable valvetrain. aftermarket heads had "chevy like" studs to allow for adjustable "chevy like" rockers to fix this. As a result many 5.0' drive around with a noisy valve train so note that. the exaust on these cars is a true dual with an H pipe. Dont get too exited though because they get 4! catalitic converters (two per side) to help us beat them. Many Stang bangers add an "off road" H-pipe hat is missing the cats to combat this. It only takes 5 minutes for a skilled guy to swap it for a smog check day though so dont get too excited. Mustang guys like to do a trick called "short belting" where they buy a shorter srerpentine belt and by pass the power robbing ford powersteering pump and a few other acessories to get some power it works marginally so if you see some mustank struggling with the steering wheel to park take it as a clue. I hope tyhis helps.

88Spinner

That is some nice info good way to put this back on track.

Meat Curtains

Heh, all that typing for nothing. It's going to get locked anyway, it has nothing to do with a third gen.

BRIrocZ

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That was highly informative but I can't belive you took the time type all that. It'll still probably get locked though...

Stangaholic, nice car. I really like the color and thats a nice burn out there.

SHO350

That's a nice looking car.

Mustangs are great cars, but I would personally build up a Ford Fairmont. A real sleeper. Same chassis but cheaper and lighter weight(even though it may not look it.) Also, the C4 transmission is alot tougher than the AOD.

BadBowtie88

B4CTom1: What in the world man? That was very informative yes, but, completely off the subject. He gave us pics to his car not a question of history about them.

B4Ctom1

The deal is that this forum is limited to technical info, and its supposed to be about third gens, and its supposed to be about racing and theory. This pertains because thirdgens dont only race thirdgens. Mustanks are so prolific you will or have raced one there is no getting around it. I saw a thread that might be locked and decided to not only steer it back into the realm of pertainance to this forum, but to provide some usable info that might be used to beat them. I was in the US military but we all got to take a long hard look at an AK-47 how it works, the parts and how it sounds, draw some similarities, differences and conclusions about our own weapon and its employment. Im doing the same here with the Mustang. Sun Tzu tells us we cannot beat our enemy if we do not know him. It will get locked if it doesnt maintain its technical format.

Stangaholic

Ok then, I will post a pic of my buddys 84' Z28 8 second car in progress

Stangaholic

double post

88Spinner

who is faster?

Stangaholic

Don't know yet, I run pretty consistent 14.9 when I don't miss 3rd like a dumbass and he ran 14.9 once and now can't get under 15.6. He just did some more to it and lightened it up even more so I think he may either be nose to nose with me or a little faster until I get my parts on.

88Spinner

sounds good he better start modding to keep up with your new parts.

'87FAKE-IROC-Z

I hope you mean 8s in the 1/8 mile, otherwise he has a lot of progress to make!

Slow91bird

Nice!

Keep it clean. (i.e. no GT ground defects :nono: )

1989TTA

The mustang is a clean/nice car. Kudos to the Mustang owner...at least he is TRUTHFULL when posting his times... 14.9 stock. I hate it when Mustang LX guys claim their cars running 13.9 stock. The only cars back in the day running close to those numbers were Corvettes L98 and Buick GNs. There were a few factory freaks running low low 14s...not the norm though.

:lala:

Codename 47

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:sillylol:

BadBowtie88

No kiddin man. Everytime you ask one what he runs, it at the very least a low 14. Ya this guys ok, I think we can let him stay...j/k Stangaholic, nice car man.

Slow91bird: That is a sweet lookin ride man!

Stangaholic

I agree Slow91bird, your car looks great man. That hood is bad as hell.

SLP IROC-Z

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its a nice mustang, dont care for em much tho. atleast its american

WillWood

Ah yes mustang, the only ford that I actually like. Your car is very clean, may I ask where are you in Md.

pheonix305

i do not like mustangs least of all the mustang two and the car that was posted was my second to last favorite. but strangaholic you cant come to a f-body web site and expecte everyone to agree with a mustang.

fast86z28

While I agree that some people won't except a mustang guy on an fbody site...some people need to stop being so close minded, its american, its v8, its rwd, and it does big burnouts what more do you want? could be a honda

Stangaholic

"but strangaholic you cant come to a f-body web site and expecte everyone to agree with a mustang."

Yes I realize this. I lurk on this board alot, I never came here to bash thirdgens(and I havent bashed any) or **** anyone off. I just like American cars INCLUDING camaros, firebirds and trans ams and I know there are a few other mustang guys that I notice from corral.net that frequent this board so I figured I would post some pics. Didn't mean any harm guys.

85IrocNOH

It's not a matter of likes or dislikes or open or closed-mindedness. it's a matter of the rules of this messageboard. It's a THIRDGEN F-BODY messageboard. that mustang is not a thirdgen f-body. The mods have been cracking down on threads that shouldn't be here and i think this is a perfect example. This post should be locked and/or deleted. Not because it's a mustang, but because it's not an 82-92 F-body. This post was started as a "look at these pics of my mustang" post. not a theoretical racing post or a racing comparison to thirdgen-fbodies post. none of that applies. and even if it was started as a post to compare mustang and thirdgens, it seems to me that it should be started by someone with a thirdgen f-body because this is a thirdgen f-body messageboard. am i the only one who is tired of wading through tons of krap just to find some correct and useful info?

BadBowtie88

Wow 85Iroc, wasn't that a little harsh? I thought we were supposed to be getting better at this everyone liking everyone else thing? Like fast86 said, at least it's a V-8, and it is a clean lookin car. And as he also pointed out he wasn't bashing our cars or anything, he just wanted to show off his ride. No harm there. Alot of the Stang guys on this site put up good info just like we do...ya I said alot, there's quite a few on here if you haven't noticed. I'm not the biggest Stang fan in the world either, but, give the guy a break.

IROCFAST

iTrader: (3)

I couldn't agree more with fast86z28 and others who made similar comments. Maybe all the others are just p!ssed that it takes twice as much money (or a carb) to make our cars as fast.

IROCThe5.7L

BadBowtie88

I can't say that I agree with that. That LX of his went 14.9x, which weighs what couple hundred lbs. less than my '89 Iroc. Look at my sig and say that again.

Stangaholic

WillWood, im near Annapolis MD.

Stangaholic

I ran 14.92 bone stock and with ****ty 2.73 gears. I thought the 350 Irocs ran mid 14s in the quarter? 14.4 if I remember correctly? Nice car by the way

Leahs88irocz

i dont believe that is true.

BadBowtie88

Depends on the car and of course gears. My '88 Iroc 350 only went 15.00 with 2.77's. And as seen in sig my '89 goes 14.65 with 3.27's. Both were autos of course. Depends alot on altitude too, though not so much where I live.

Stangaholic

Doesn't the 89' have a little more HP and TQ than the 88'? Like 10 more? Im still learning about these cars, they are pretty cool. The 14.65 was stock?

BRIrocZ

iTrader: (1)

For the record, my fully loaded Iroc went consistent 14.50's at 93mph on 2.77's. The only mods were K&Ns and a gutted airbox.
'88 and '89 were rated at the same hp, aside from the '89 g92 cars which were rated 10hp and torque higher.

85IrocNOH

no.
there wasn't anywhere in there i made any comments about him personally or his car one way or another.

it's not a thirdgen f-body. this is a thirdgen f-body site. if it was an american sports car site, then that would be different. it's not.

if it's thirdgen f-body related, great. otherwise there are other messageboards for other subjects.

read the forum rules:
it specifically states they even bolded the "third generation f-bodies" part.
both apply to this post.
It also states:
I'd say that also applies........
how can you steer it back? it never was "there".

I'm NOT HATING ON MUSTANGS OR THEIR OWNERS. i'm just stating that it's off topic any way you look at it.

BadBowtie88

Yes the '89 G92's were rated at 10 more hp and 10 more tq. BRIroc just proves my point that every car is different. His '89 went faster than mine, and I have a G92 with better gears. I have seen tracks make a huge difference too. A guy I know went to Topeka, and picked up .4 just from going to a better track. Our track sucks. Could play a part in how well each car runs. And my 14.65 is with gutted air boxes Stangaholic. Check my sig. When I brought it home it went 14.79, I only ran it once though, may have went faster if I could have run a little more that night.