xxxirocz88xxx

I bought an Lt1 intake off Lt1intake.com on May 19 about 2 months ago or so and im completely and utterly disappointed and extremely aggravated with John Millican's products he sells. I have a whole list of problems I could go on for hours explaining every detail of every problem I have had. Let me start with the basics, for one I paid a total of $610 for the entire conversion not including the programmed chip which I don’t even know if it even works right. But I think all of you out there would figure that if you pay that much for an intake you all would expect it to be done right the first time. But no John Millican from my point of view def doesn’t come close to even giving you your moneys worth.

Let me go on with all the problems I have had with John Millican's lt1 intakes 1) bolt holes aren’t modified right, not even close to lining up with the holes on the heads additional modifying will have to be done yourself 2) leaks coolant and oil like crazy 3) Lt1 intakes done have distributor holes so John Millican drills a hole in the back of the intake and screws a angled piece of metal on the back of the intake to acquire the correct angle for the distributor. the problem I had with this is that piece of metal he made was to thick 3/16 does make a dif people, and when it comes measurements on engines and parts there is def no room for error. well because of this error my oil pump shaft had slack in it there for it ground down the inside of the shaft causing the oil pump not to work unfortunately I did not notice this for a few min so my brand new engine was running with no oil for *** knows how long im glad it didn’t do any harm.

Now I emailed John Millican and he says it’s not his problem he won’t give me my money back because I already installed the intake. How was I supposed to know all this would happen with out installing the intake. now my every day driver my 1988 iroc-z Convt. is a hunk of junk sitting in my garage. To top it off I had to buy some hunk of junk to drive around. Any one else have theis problems.... ill post more about this later when I fig out what the hell im going to do with this situation..

92 zzz28

That really sucks, sorry to hear that!!!

If you want better exposure to people that may have used the intakes repost this in the Vendor board.

D M N

man i wanted to do that mod too

Guest

I should move this but... not going to.

Jstcrzyengh

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I haven't heard the same issue with the intakes, but a guy I know around here was sent the wrong injectors twice, first time was for v6 injectors, second was for mixed and matched injectors. Supposedly he sells cleaned and matched injectors, but these were anything but...

xxxirocz88xxx

ill have to look into that too i didnt even think of checking them...!

Formula383

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I had the LT1 manifold installed that John did the conversion for me and I no problems at all out side of the manifold not being wide enough to cover the coolent ports (I have Dart II Heads) John was a great help because I had the manifold powdercoated and since I needed extra materil John took it back and gave me another one. If you are going to do this conversion you need to ask questions and do your homework first.Everyone on this board who did the conversion help me out before I did the conversion. John answered a lot of questions for me.

MikeC.86Roc

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I can't say that I have any experience with the LT1 intakes John offeres, but I do know him personally. He is a very stand up guy, friendly and I am betting there is more to this story then we know. I can't ever imagine John intentionally ripping somebody off or even letting somebody be utterly upset with a product he is selling. Again, like I said.. John is a really good guy.

xxxirocz88xxx

im not saying he ripped me off.. i think it is extremly stupid he doesnt warranty installations.. how was i suposed to know all this would happen with out installing it... i think its retarted... i installed it it messed up my motor now i want my money back...end of story and he wont give it back...

John Millican

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Kirk Christiansen (xxxirocz88xxx),

If you are going to flame someone be sure to tell the whole story, not just the parts you can easily remember. I will attach our e-mails otherwise, they tell every word we had. I save everything just for people like you.

Now I will explain everything you posted as a "problem" for the good folks at TGO and let them deceide for themselfs if there's any wrong doing.


1) bolt holes aren’t modified right, not even close to lining up with the holes on the heads additional modifying will have to be done yourself

SBC intakes are available in 2 differant bolt patterns depending on what cylinder head you run. Kirk couldn't tell me what type of heads he had, all he knew is it had a "1988 TPI intake" on it. That makes it an '87+ late style intake bolt pattern. They have the two center intake bolts almost vertical compared to the other intake bolts.
I drilled Kirks LT1 intake the same as his existing '88 TPI intake. He then swapped heads and ended up with early style bolt pattern after I already shipped his intake. Of course he never informed me of this MAJOR change. Kirk then tried to fix it himself. I can't tell how good a job he did at that or if it was a hack job. I'm sure it's a hack job, otherwise he would have been able to modify his own LT1 intake instead of having me do it for him.

2) leaks coolant and oil like crazy

Kirk can't give me anymore information on this one when I asked him. All he said was "I can't really tell where it's coming from'. Uummm, not quite an expert mechanic huh?

3) Lt1 intakes done have distributor holes so John Millican drills a hole in the back of the intake and screws a angled piece of metal on the back of the intake to acquire the correct angle for the distributor. the problem I had with this is that piece of metal he made was to thick 3/16 does make a dif people, and when it comes measurements on engines and parts there is def no room for error. well because of this error my oil pump shaft had slack in it there for it ground down the inside of the shaft causing the oil pump not to work unfortunately I did not notice this for a few min so my brand new engine was running with no oil for *** knows how long im glad it didn’t do any harm.

That is very hard to read huh? I'll bet most of you can't really figure what he's saying. I'll summarize it for you.
He means my distributor spacer I add to align the dizzy is too thick by 3/16". the spacer is attached to the intake with countersunk screws and is at about a 5° angle for a flush finish since the distributor bore in the block is at the same angle. I make my spacers around 2 1/4" diameter. I also make every spacer the same thickness so if his is wrong then everyone that got a spacer or intake from me is wrong too and they are in big trouble. Hogwash. I have nearly 20,000 miles on my conversion personally and NO-ONE has ever complained about this "problem". I question Kirk more. Turns out he was comparing the high (think) side of the spacers overall height including the intake itself. Then Kirk said he compared that measurement to his factory '88 TPI intake and said the LT1 (with spacer) was 3/16" too high on the highest side. Well, that's not the way to measure distributor height. It must be measured exactly centerline, not at the hight point of the spacer I make. What if I made my spacer 3" diameter? Then he would say it's 1/2" too tall. See what i mean? I truely believe Kirks oil shaft got tore up from an installation error, nothing to do with my intake spacer.
I do not warrenty installation.

That's it for the "problems". Now I will address the problems he has with me. He e-mails me repeatly and demands all his money back at first. I try to calm him down and ask what type of problems he's been having and why he hasn't contacted me untill now. He explaines the problems and I make a business decision to refund 70% of his money just to help him out since he hacked away at the bolt pattern (don't know if I can save it or not) and the intake was ordered PAINTED so I'll have to strip it again and repair any damage he caused. I think that's a fair deal myself. I also said I would send a replacement but he wouldn't hear any of that. He just wanted ALL his money back right now.

After talking some more we determione he did in fact order the wrong bolt pattern. He asked me if I could "fix it" for him. I said sure, send it to me and I'll even pick up return shipping as well even though I'm not at fault. I know if you order a custom made product and then modify it because it was the wrong one, not one retailer would accept it for 100% refund. PERIOD. I offered to fix it like I said but the next day Kirk wanted all his money back again like yesterdays conversation never took place.

Now we are here, at the Aftermarket Vendor Review Forum. Maybe the TGO members can deceide if I'm at fault.

My offer to fix it still stands or I will refund 70% of his purchase price. The ***** in Kirk's field now. I am still waiting on him to reply.

GMTech

I got one thing to say:

Purposely order the WRONG intake from www.summit.com, then when you receive it, grind away at the bolt holes, then call summit and say it didn't fit, and that you ground away at the bolt holes to make it fit to no avail and you want your money back. Honestly, what do you think they would say? I think John has gone above and beyond the call of duty to satisfy the customer. I don't see why this was even posted.

John Millican

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I do not sell injectors on my website. Those injectors that were sold to Nigal were purchased off of a classified forum on another message board. They did not come from a V-6, they were fom a L99 (4.3L) V-8. I didn't know it at the time since all L99 and LT1 intakes look exactly the same (almost).
I made good on that by sending him a real set of cleaned and tested 24# LT1 injectors. When Nigal installed them (I don't know how long they sat) he had a few not fire.
Nigal contacted me and I deceided to send him another set and I am, all I asked is he send all 16 injectors back to me. I covered return shipping on the second set and I will cover shipping on the next set.
Remember I did not sell injectors through my website, they were on classified. Businesswise I am not obligated to do anything but I am because I know it's the right thing to do.
How many have bought off Ebay and had problems? Was there any recourse fro the seller? I doubt it very much..........

John Millican

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You've got to be kidding. Warrenty CUSTOMERS work? No way in....well you fill in the blank. I very much doubt you will get another vender to warrenty installation either.
First off you couldn't even install it because you ordered the wrong bolt pattern. You should have STOPPED right there and contacted me but you didn't. You took a grinder to the intake and deceided to go at it yourself.

If I sold you a set of pistons and you installed them without rings, am I responsible? Enough said.

Kirk, I will still return 70% of your purchase price or fix your intake. Your choice, I am still waiting on you.

John Millican

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Dear good people at TGO,

I did not reply to this message to protect my name. I replied to tell you the WHOLE story, not just the side that suits the orginal poster. I will let the board members deceide............

Dyno Don

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If he had them installed right away and they did not work as stated and had to pay to have them installed (two sets) what do you consider fair in light of that? Was it Nigel's fault you shipped him the wrong injectors? Was it Nigel's fault the "second' set were defective? What do you think is the right thing to do here?
The poor guy is out a lot of bucks through no fault of his own.
Sorry to be the devil's advocate here but what is really right?

John Millican

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Anytime you buy used components you are taking a chance. If you wanted a guarenteed good part the first time you should buy new. Even then you STILL might run into a bad part.

Dyno Don

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John:
Here is your chance to save face. Possibly you should reread this and offer a different explanation.

P.S. For your sake dont' miss this opportunity, if you do you won't have anyone to blame but yourself

05kcilS

Holy ****... you are a DAMN good business man. I applaud you. I would have told him since he modified it, he doesn't get crap.
although.. i don't know if you need to modify it a little to fit?
either way you are standup business man to me. and good luck w/ your business!

Jstcrzyengh

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LMAO :sillylol:

OMG that is the funniest statement I have ever read on these boards... Basically you just told everyone not to buy from you, ever! Well that is if they ever want something that is going to actually work the way it is supposed to anyway. If you did advertise on a classified board as selling lt1 injectors, and than sent l99 injectors than YOU ARE completely at fault, not nigel and for you to send two bad sets of injectors in a row? Also Nigel didn't let them sit, it was for his daily driver car he had them put in right away, trusting you the whole time. He had to pay twice, now a third time to have the injectors put in and a chip reprogrammed.

As far as the intake goes. I would have to back you up on that. If he ordered it one way, changed the bolt pattern, than instead of contacting you to see if you could change it, jacked up the intake than that is pretty much on him. I think your offer for a new intake sounds great to me and I would jump all over that. But than again that's just me...

SLP-GTA

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I doesnt matter WHAT you do, sooner than latter someone will have a problem/s. From what Ive read (both side) John is trying to make it right, in addition others have expressed good transactions. Sometimes it seems that whatever you do, there are times things never go right (nigels case) honest mistake? who knows, but it seem that way to me.

Sorry to see Kirk had the problems he did, nothing takes the fight out you more than when $hit doesnt go as plan.

John Millican

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I never said I wasn't at fault. I admitted my mistake and sent Nigal true LT1 injectors. I am sorry that when he got them he had a few that failed, I cannot promise used parts to work at any given time after they leave me. I stand by my statement that used parts should always be questionable. Especially electronic ones. Intake manifolds don't count as they are but a hunk of aluminum.
If Nigal had bought those orginal injectors off of Ebay he would be **** out of luck I can assure you of that.
I am going through my entire box of injectors (yes box) and am looking for the very best ones that test on the first try to send Nigal. As i understand it he is running good with 24# injectors so these will be spares or he can sell them to make his money back, I don't care either way. That is the best I can do for him.

p.s. If you look at my site i don't sell injectors there. I only do sell them on classified boards ONLY when I know they are working excellant. I had assumed that the L99 injectors were LT1 injectors. My fault completely. They come from an intake that does LOOK to be a LT1 and were in excellant condition, that is why I posted them for sale in the first place.

Jstcrzyengh

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As long as Nigel is cool with that that is all that matters. As you can see below he is not... and for good reason. If you make a mistake and than only want to pay half of that mistake that is not taking responsibility for it.

trans87

I do have to say that you have helped me when I contacted you. The first mistake was just a plain honest mistake. You are right those were perfectly working injectors the only problem was that they were not the right size at all. I contacted you about them and you responded quickly and acted accordingly. The thing I don't get was with the second set. Being a problem with the first set I would of thought you would of made sure to send me a correct working set the second time. All you would of had to done was setup a test stand and made sure each one sprayed and sprayed correctly. The true LT1s that were sent were no good at all. The 4 that did spray did not even spray but rather squirted. The other four were deader than door nails. I paid a good sum of money to get these injectors put on only to find they didn't work so I had take them off again and use someone else's injectors on my car for it would run. I must say I was quite upset since I had spent a great deal of money which to me was completely wasted. I am a teenager working a dead end job that can barely afford to keep me so money is tight and to lose money like that was a serious blow. I decided then that I would just save face and get a refund. You informed me though that you would only give me half my money back. So I would actually be paying for all the stress and extra cash I had spent. That upset me to say the least. So now we are here. I sent off all the bad injectors, which you recieved Friday and I am hoping this time around I will get correct properly functioning injectors. I am sure you are a good man and many people it seems have had great experieces with you so I am not knocking your business. It's just that my experience with you has been very costly and frustrating to say the least. I am out a lot of money and time which not only angered me but as you can see, others around me that were part of what I went through.

Dyno Don

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Here you say you sent cleaned and tested 24#'s, then you say what you sell used, is possible junk. I don't get it.
The injectors in question were in fact all junk, 4 0f them made a little squirt, and the rest were completely dead and would not come to life even with injector cleaner.
What does anything that happens on E-bay have to do with this situation?
What he is running now are borrowed 22#'s.
What he has had to go through is just not right anyway you spell it.

John Millican

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I don't know what happened to the injectors after I shipped them from the east coast to the west coast. They worked before I shipped them.
I am sending a replacement set, what more does a person want, me to fly out there and install them because he cannot?
If you can't do your own work and don't make enough money to pay someone to work the mods for you then you are IN THE WRONG HOBBY. It's expensive to go fast..............

John Millican

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Oh and what does the injectors have to do with the subject of this post? Nothing. You are ripping off another man's post. You should have opened a new post for the injectors.
Then again, it has no ties to my business because I sold them "as is" in the classified forum in the first place.

86FyrBrd

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Ok heres my two sense, I'll defend John. Intakes are good, mine was a little wierd on the angle, but it was close enough to call it correct. It was made quality, and came as described. he helped me out greatly, I also recieved a chip from him. I didnt get to run a scan on the car before I sold it but it ran good. and he said he could re-program it if I needed.

As far as injectors go, John is rite, the lt1 I bought of ebay and provided to John for modifying had injectors included, they were advertised as good, BUT soon after I had my motor in (with the intake, chip, injectors) the car started to run HORRIBLY. Some injectors were firing, some were just squirting a straight stream of fuel into the intake.

I see it this way. Yes, you are having trouble, Yes your being taken care of completely. Chalk it up as bad luck and be glad you have someone like John that is willing to work with you on it.

obviously the Lt1 I talk about was in the T/A

Jstcrzyengh

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86FYRBRD

Apparently you did not read Nigel's post? Or the subsequent posts by John afterwards where he stated he advertised cleaned and tested lt1 injectors and than PURPOSELY sent l99 thinking they were the same? Without even looking into it or letting Nigel know "Hey these arn't LT1's but I have a sneaky suspiscion they will work" Than after he FRAUDULENTLY sent the wrong injectors, he sent another sent from his "box" or pile whatever he wants to call it, that he knew was not clean or tested. There in a freakin' box for g*d's sake! He than blames Nigel for having the work professionally done? Dude, this guy is not someone I would ever want to deal with just from his responses. He thinks that something is going to make 8 injectors stop working during shipping from the east coast to the west coast? Even you yourself had issues lol That's funny. It's quite apparent when the ringer comes in "yeah I had problems, but I still love the guy anyway, you should be happy that he works with you guys at all" I mean that kind of attitude is never the right one.

John Millican
Live up to your mistakes! First you blamed time lapse to install, than you blamed Nigel, than the installer (who happens to be very well respected), than shipping from east coast to the west coast, next I suppose GM is to blame right? Take some responsibility for your actions. I think at this point you need to either refund him his money, plus ALL shipping he has ever had to pay or you need to get him new ones. Honestly he could file mail fraud. You advertise one thing and than knowingly send another. Guess what? That's what those laws were inacted for.

As a side note you should thank Nigel for jumping into this thread. Do you honestly want two threads floating around about how you do business? And how it's everyone elses fault but your own? Oh and by the way I purchased LT1 injectors on ebay and they work just fine. I purchased them with the same tag line that you used to sell yours "cleaned and tested" heck they looked brand new. So stop trying to deflect your actions by bringing up ebay. It seems like from what you tell everyone we are to assume you sell cr*p now? By your responses I now know "buyer beware" when it comes to working with john millican. You don't get what's advertised.

Cruzin Kaz

WOW! Do you South Cali guys stick together!! Like a hungry pack of wolves! And yes I have read the entire thread here. But if Nigel has a problem with John it is for him to deal with. Not every single guy in your club to jump all over him. Dyno Don... you for instance I remember being the devils advocate once in your so called club forum and you said it was none of my buisness, well in a way your were right somewhat, but it is very apparent that this is none of your buisness., nor Jstcrzyengh either. But you are both hear stirring the Crap. Now it does sound as though John has tried to fix the situation. and if he did addvertise them as is, well that is that then. BTW Nigel?? What did you originally pay for the first set of Injectors you recieved from John? Just curious here.

86FyrBrd

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Where does he claim to be an expert on injectors, hes not, and that is why he is selling them not through his professional busines, but on a classifieds board. If I see a Tune Port 305 and a Tune port 350 in a junk yard I may think they are the same motor, with the same injectors. I would learn different if I sold the injectors and someone informed me otherwise. I would also refund their money, or replace with good ones if money permitted. From what I see Jon is doing that. He made a mistake and is covering it.


My issues were with injectors that werent touched by him, they were bought off of ebay. If you want to equate my situation to his, read it thouroughly before you cut it up


Yes I did have problems, very minor ones, ones that I may expect when I am buying from a one man show that modifies used parts. If I wanted top notch perfect from the factory I woulndt have returned my big mouth manifold. But then again maybe I would have cause that was worse.

If I read correctly he did not blame the installer, or Nigel himself for the injectors, that was for the intake. I too would not replace an intake for free if someone grinded on it themselves. The injectors, YES, and John said he would/is

he does accept blame for the injectors, but not the intake, If I told him my angle was one thing, then got different heads, and grinded on myself, guess what ...come on guess. It ISNT Johns fault.

Just because you got a good deal off ebay doesnt mean everyone does, I didnt, I dealt with it. John is helping as much as I think he should have to. He made a mistake, let him fix it before you hang him.

Jstcrzyengh

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He claims cleaned and tested injectors... Stick by your word. the plain and simple fact is he stated in an ad "cleaned and tested LT1 24lb injectors" Not only did he not deliver LT1 NOR 24lb injectors, but he did it with full knowledge of what he was doing. Read his post. He purposely sent injectors that were not as advertised, because he thought they were right. Well, if he is no expert than he needs to not take "guesses" such as those.

As for kaz saying that we should stay out of it, did you happen to read what forum this is in? Aftermarket vendor review... Not "If you don't have anything nice to say about someone who fraudulently represented parts he was selling, than don't say anything at all" forum? and yeah we stick together... Why not? We should all allow people to take advantage of other people? After the first set of bad injectors john should of taken extra care to get Nigel injectors that were exactly as advertised "cleaned and tested LT1 injectors" I justwant him to make it right to NIGEL'S satisfaction, not his own. As far as the intake goes, that sounds like the other guys fault and if you read my post you will see that is what I said.

However the injectors are John's fault, he needs to make it right to Nigel not to how it best fits Johns current situation.

Dyno Don

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Well you see "Mr.Cruzin Kaz" I am right in the middle of this, as I am the one that had to suffer the agony of sorting out this mess.
I have many hours invested in trying to help Nigel get his daily driver running. (not charged for) You on the other hand have again intruded where you don't belong. Please refrain in the future unless it directly involves you. That is as nice as I can be. In the beginning I afforded John the opportunity to save face in this matter, what has transpired since then is for John to bare.

Cruzin Kaz

Well Don as quoted here, I have every right to post my thoughts as you do so it seems.

But all in all I do understand your headaches as in the tear down and all, but as is, is as is... But in my eyes John is trying to correct the situation. I haven't given you and attitude either here, just stating the facts as a person who knows neither of the people invloved. And by what I read here John is trying to correct the situation. Crap happens people, and no one is perfect plain and simple. But this thread has nothing to do with Nigels injectors, and makeing a second post in your regional area was very unprofessional in my eyes and many others I am sure. John... fix Nigel up with what he deserves and leave it at that Even Nigel seemed more professional in the way he described his situation within this thread then many others. As for using the word "inturded" Don...:nono: This is a wide open board for all members to see and hear and discuse the problem at hand. Sorry if you don't think I should be here, but I can, I will and I am! Nigel seems like a good kid and it appears he can handle this situation himself...so let him. He isn't always going to have others to fight his battles for him, so let him learn to deal with it himself. Mr. Don.

Bens3rdGen

:lala:

GMTech

I cannot vouch for every set of injectors John sells, but I know that he does clean and test them because he comes over to my shop to do it. Injectors that flat out do not work, I physically see go into the trash. I'm not trying to "butt in", but I can vouch for his "cleaning and testing". He uses the same solution to clean his injectors that the shop uses for customers cars, and have been very good at cleaning even the most stubborn injectors.
NOTE: I'm NOT calling anybody a liar, just trying to help put all the facts on the table.

Jstcrzyengh

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Well, these injectors were anything but cleaned or tested and for a dual issue? First the wrong one's, that he knew were wrong in the first place? than bad injectors? Kind of fishy you know? I think Nigel's money back is best in this case, plus the money he is out shipping back and forth. That way he can buy a set from around here that he knows will work.

John Millican

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You may re-read my post. I NEVER said I PURPOSELY sent L99 injectors. I did admit that they were L99 injectors after Nigal e-mailed me with the problems he was having. AFTER much research we proved they were L99 injectors, not LT1 injectors.
I challange each and everyone of the members if the can tell a L99 intake from a LT1 intake when it's sitting on the bench. I now know the differances but before I shipped his parts I DID NOT.

I have e-mailed Nigal and asked him how it wants this resolved, either by a replacement tested set (with pictures of spray patterns) or a complete refund (100%).
I did offer 50% refund at first but that was him keeping both sets of injectors, the perfectly good 19# ones and the LT1 ones.

Jstcrzyengh

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Well, it sounds like we are heading in the right direction than.

Cruzin Kaz

Gee ya think so? I thought it was headed in the right direction long before half of this stuff was posted??? Let Nigel deal with John as it is up to him. I swore to myself I would not reply to this again, but I just had to here. John I think your a stand up guy, and yet I have never met you ever. you are doing the right thing here , and by what has been written by all parties you were long ago. I feel bad that you had to get torn down the ladder like you have here as it was obviously uncalled for as you were already in the mists of correcting the situation. Nigel you too seem like a decent fella as your post in this thread was on the level and spoken in a professional matter. John... if ever need be, I will be sure to contact you if I am in need any parts or service you may be providng at that time.

Dyno Don

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I'm sorry Kaz, I like your interpretation of what I said better.

Jstcrzyengh

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lol Kaz your a funny guy. John just started offering a full refund AFTER we all came in here and started bringing the heat. i am going to guess that your not too old and dont have the benefit of having to deal with too many business', because if you take the fact that people have problems with a company the reason you want to do business with them you've got a lot of learning to do.

cheers!

trans87

They are not trying to ruin John Millican. They are upset as much as I was on what was happening. Dyno Don has every right to be a part of this. He was the one wrenching under the hood and pulling his back putting in dud injectors. He was also the one helping trying to find the problem with my car for 4 days until will realized it had too small of injectors. I work very hard for my car and to pretty much just be throwing away cash is very hard on me. The guys know this which is why they also were angered.

None of this matters though. John and I are settling this matter through e-mail. I am hoping for resolution and no threepeat. I am not trying to rob anybody or ruin anybody's reputation. I just wanted what I agreed upon and paid for. I shouldn't have to be using another person's injectors to drive my car when I paid more than enough for my own set. That isn't right no matter how you look at it. John at least is standing up to the plate and trying to resolve this issue. I respect that but so far no product has been delivered. I am hoping this will be resolved so we can all move on.

John Millican

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OK, now that we're through the "injector business school", let's get back to the orginal topic.

Kirk, I am still waiting to hear from you. I know you MUST be following this thread, you started it.

Cruzin Kaz

LOL!! Yeap just a 30 year old kid with his own buisness...LOL!! I really could care less what you think of me. you've made it very clear what you think of me and my fellow Canadians so I'll leave it at that. All companies have problems, NO ONE IS PERFECT!! Well except you, it seems! I think the only young person here that hasn't a clue is you! I tried to reconcile the situation but you continue to badger the situation. What was Dyno Don quote?? Something along that line of "show them the rope and they'll put there heads in." You thought it was pretty funny too, didn;'t you? I have one just for you, it seems to suit you very well.
" Once and AZZ always an AZZ" And this is directed to you my friend not as it is called now your "pack of wolves"

This is my last response here, as this is getting out of hand! Nigel and John.. Glad to hear your getting things resolved. BTW Chris I've been to Cali.

Jstcrzyengh

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Well, I thought long and hard if I should respond to your latest thread, being as the matter between john and nigel is being taken care of, but I just felt like I should clarify some things...

1. sellings drugs is not owning your own business
2. Using your own product is not conducive to a profit margin
3. Admitting your thirty, but acting like your twelve is, needless to say, not very becomming.

You entered this thread as an antagonist, nothing more, not to add your experiences with the vendor, but just to stick your 2 cents in. Now I can see you responding if you had ANY experience with the vendor in question, than your opinion at that point was at the very least acceptable as your opinion, because you had experience, but since you had none, you should not come in to make trouble. Than you come to the so cal board to do the same thing... Really bro, grow up.

Cruzin Kaz

LOL!! I couldn't resist!! LOL!! Drugs eh? LOL!!! Get a grip. The only reason I entered the thread in the So Cali area, was that comment about Canadians, which was obviously directed at me. And the minute you made your comment about the al queda crap, you hit a nerve pal! As I already mentioned I lost a friend in that attack jack! I also went to the site 2 weeks later to try to get closeur, now your idiotic comments have brought back some of that pain I thought I and forgotten. You probably hid in your California bungalo as I seen the real thing. I could sit here and **** back and forth with you, but that would make me just as bad as you! Please keep the rest fo your comment to yourself! Our American and Candain relations are bad enough cause both our government and your government are a bunch of stupid dumb*&%s. But if these types of things continue it may get worse then I ever expected! BTW How old are you there my American friend??? I bet your in your early 20's and have alot of anger and confusion in your head. If your older then that, then I am very sorry for you, as it is obvious your parents never tought you any manners. Actually I feel sorry for you parents never mind. But I am done with this little pissing match here so from here on in you'll be fighting with yourselves.

Bens3rdGen

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Jstcrzyengh

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Awesome thread ben

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Blah blah blah blah

You just dont know when to stop, do you? Let me spell something out for you

YOU started the generalizations, referring to 'us' Southern California guys as a 'pack of wolves', and then you get all pissy when I throw it back in your face (which I did just to prove a point I might add). I tried to be as nice as possible about it after that and keep it in a private message, and here you are STILL harping on it so here I am commenting again. Its obvious to me you can dish it out, but you cant take it... just as I suspected. Maybe you should be a bit more careful in what you say, if you cant handle someone turning the tables around.

John Millican

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Name calling will get you no where.

I found the thread on the So Cal forum, all you "pack of wolfs" can go to h e l l


Do a search, it's a small number. You call yourself a "moderator".



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