ajStyles2015

Question about after market air intakes. I have an 89 and I was woundering if there is anyone else out there with an after market air intake on their 3rd gen that could send me pictures or post some pictures so I can have an rough idea on what it looks like....

UNCLE TOM

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89 what ? Camaro or Firebird ? TPI or TBI ? more info. .

zenish

my aftermarket air intake is a cowl induction hood and open air breather.

ajStyles2015

Sorry, it is a 305 TBI Camaro.

TAmaniac

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RED-PONTIAC-FIREBIRD-5-0L-5-7L-V8-COLD-AIR-INTAKE-FILTER-1988-1989-/300607140628?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item45fd94f314&vxp=mtr
I purchased this set up and it worked great even on my 85 model

TAmaniac

Sorry I just saw yours was a TBI

ajStyles2015

Yeah my engine looks absolutely nothing like yours. And I can't find any pictures with an air intake on a TBI

Ron U.S.M.C.

What kind of a air intake are you looking for ? There's the one that looks like the one above for TBI or a Open Air Element like mine.

ajStyles2015

Go be honest, I'm not toally sure what I want. I've only had my camaro for about a month now. originally in wanted a short ram/cold air intake, but after looking at my engine and some pictures I don't know if I can do a short ram/cold air intake. And your is super nice, but how much HP do you get from it cause it doesn't look like its in an area that will provide much airflow.

Ron U.S.M.C.

IMO there are three basic versions of air intakes for a TBI.The"CAI" that has cold air taken in using a filter that is placed at the end of a snorkel/piping and is placed at the front of the bay preferably in a cold air area with a bonnet on the TBI unit.

Then there’s a stock TBI intake that is very restrictive and is like pulling air through a straw. Then there’s the Open Air Intake like the one I have.Mines kind of a high bread version of a basic unit because it pulls cold air from a cowl hood opening. The main part is a 14x 3in. filter that although pulling warm/hot air from the bay it pulls a lot of it . When you have a nice Cowl hood like mine you use the intake I have chosen or whats the point of having the cowl.

This is probable my favorite type of cold air intake for a TBI using a stock fuel injected cars cold air intake unit and a bonnet on the TBI to accept the snorkel.

Keep in mind that there are many variations of the intakes I have mentioned.

Dakota W.

There is a 2% difference in hp from using cold air instead of hot, and that's only if both flow the same amount. On a stock TBI, that's maybe 2hp.

Ron U.S.M.C.

In that case giving the TBI more than enough air is the name of the game. I know you must also add a free flowing exhaust system to see any real results but how much HP do you think is being free'd up by just replacing the stock TBI unit ?

Caveman305

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an open element will provide the max amount of airflow, just not the coldest

as stated hot vs cold is not a huge factor on a stock TBI, you are only seeing 170 HP stock, less than that at the wheels

Ron's setup also is utilizing a cowl induction hood, which has an area the air cleaner sits up in, meaning cooler air drawn from the cowl area, you will also notice he has an Xtreme(or similar) air filter top, he's drawing air from every possible direction, its more than enough air flow, even for a mildly built 350

Don't forget to do exhaust(i would honestly work on this first)

if you want to see bigger gains, look into intake manifolds, a cam, head work or new heads, and some tuning equipment

and don't worry about the "why waste money on a 305" crowd, they have a valid point, but its your car, so it's your decision, there are plenty of guys still willing to help out the 305 crowd

Dakota W.

It looks like a spectre air cleaner we sell at work...It's like $90...way overpriced IMHO. If you tuned the TBI well, you could probably see a 5-10hp gain, just depending on how bad it is starting out. Mostly you'll just get throttle response, which is nice too. I agree with caveman, waste money on the 305, it's a good motor. I'm planning on turning my 305 into a 310 with splayed main caps and a twin turbo setup.

mjdavis68

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Ron U.S.M.C.

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Your right, it’s a Summit Racing "Power Lid" with a Spectre 3x14in.filter below. I believe it was close to $90.00 total. I actually received it as a B-Day present 6 years ago. What I loved about it right away is that the color went well with the bay and paint.

I’ve seen the bottom of the Spectre lid and the Summit lid is built much stronger.

In this photo you can see the chrome air filter on the valve cover for the PCVsystem. It replaces the stock tube that went from there to the side of the stock air cleaner.

ajStyles2015

do you have any idea where the person that got this for you got it from, and what is it called so i know what to ask for? I would like to do something exactly like this. also what did you do with your breather??

Ron U.S.M.C.

If you want the filter top you're better off buying the whole assembly that includes the base as well.
The spectre is OK but the K&N seem to be the most popular.
The only breather that needs to be dealt with is the hose that comes from the valve cover up and into the side of the stock air cleaner assembly. If you look at the photo it shows a chrome air breather that replaces the stock hose on the valve cover. Heres what it looks like on my car. =

= Heres a few to chose from.

http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/SPT0/47622/N1889.oap?ck=Search_air+cleaner+assembly+-+unique_-1_3101&keyword=air+cleaner+assembly+-+unique

http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/KANA/663040/N1887.oap?ck=Search_N1887_-1_-1&pt=N1887&ppt=C0388

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/knn-66-3040/overview/

http://www.jegs.com/c/Air-Filters-Co...10269/10002/-1

http://www.jegs.com/p/S-B/S-B-Air-Cl...59600/10002/-1

Dakota W.

If you value your engine, avoid K&N.

ajStyles2015

What do you mean? Why I thought K&N was the best!??

ajStyles2015

Thank you, I appreciate all your help!

Ron U.S.M.C.

I also would like to hear more on this.

Dakota W.

K&N does flow the best. That's because they use less filtering material. Meaning you get more air AND more dirt into your engine.

ajStyles2015

So if K&N are so horrible what would you recommend??

Dakota W.

There's nothing wrong with paper filters. They let in plenty of air with the proper size tubing and flow. I haven't used a spectre, but I do avoid K&N filters and the edelbrock triangles of death.

Ron U.S.M.C.

Theres a ton of threads about K&N vs Paper on this site and I have read MANY of them. I believe the cotton gauze type filters as well as a paper but flows better.

Heres what K&N has to say. Believe it or don't, that's up to you.
http://www.knfilters.com/filter_facts.htm#FACTS

ajStyles2015

Yes I agree with Ron. I've heard alot about how good and bad K&N filters are. I guess ill just have to do some research before I buy a filter.

FryeDaddy

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I like the open top of that filter, will kn air filter fit with that lid? and also what if it rains, won't the water flow in? I been wanting a cowl hood because of that, but if I can somehow manage more air to my carb, then I rather have stock iroc than cowl

Ron U.S.M.C.

As far as cowl hoods go some have open backs with no screen,some have the screen. Some have a completely open underside and some have a hole like mine. There are even some fiberglass cowl hoods that you need to cut the back out to open up the cowl. As far as rain is concerned the cowl weather-stripping on the base/back/underside of the stock hood is transferred to the new hood (at least mine did on the Goodmark brand of cowl hood) and that seals the base. Honestly I have never heard of a person complaining about rain getting into the bay through the actual cowl opening .

Here’s the K&N open air element you will want if you decide to go that way.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/knn-66-3040/overview/

Also I Googled "Camaro open Cowl hoods" and this is what came up. Strange enough there are even some photos of my car in there.(red with black stripes)You have to click on images to see the hoods. =
http://www.google.com/search?pws=0&q=camaro+open+cowl+hoods&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=oIT5UaDtGqGriAL7gYHYCA&biw=1440&bih=750&sei=qIT5UauCIOKIigLk9YHADA

FryeDaddy

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Haha thanks, another question the goodmark cowl hood comes with the screen behind the opening? There's a company like 2 hour drive from me in TX that makes the goodmark. I'm really tempted to get one now, and it'll match my hawks spoiler nicely

Ron U.S.M.C.

.Instead of me posting more images of the Goodmark hood take a look at these photos in this link as you scroll down and just click on them to see them full size.Mines the shiny red one with the wide black racing stripes with hood pins just like the one in my signature below.(the hood gap has been fixed).=
http://www.google.com/search?pws=0&q...IOKIigLk9YHADA