58mark

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LONG, round, phillips, with a buiilt in washer

JamesC

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Yes. Pics in the following link:

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/hist...vs-1984-a.html

JamesC

Confuzed1

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Thanks a lot for the link James! Seems the differences are just cosmetic, so I shouldn't have any issue installing a newer pad on my '83..

W.E.G.

So, do you think longer than these screws at Hawks?:
http://www.hawksthirdgenparts.com/pr...sher-head.html

58mark

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They are a lot longer than that. I will take 1 out and snap a picture of it or measure it for you

LSJuan0068

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/hist...vs-1984-a.html



I am on the hunt for one at yards at the moment for my 83. Already picked up a mint later style for my 83.

Confuzed1

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Good luck even finding a 3rd gen in the boneyard much less a 82-84 model. Nothing up this way...

Johnny Blaze

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No kidding.

58mark

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here's that screw. I was wrong, it has a hex head, 7MM.

the screw portion of it is about 1.25" long

W.E.G.

Wow!

That's a big 'un.

Thanks for the info!

W.E.G.

BTW, does the hex-head also have a phillips-indent?

Is that washer part of the hex-head, or is it one of the "captive" type of washers that spins, but won't slide over the threads?

82RZ

Show me a NOS GM pad in the original box for $600 and I'll buy EVERY ONE AVAILABLE CASH...$$. NO QUESTIONS ASKED!!!!!!!

I hope you do realize Sir, that they were disconitinued way back in 1995 and I understand the original tooling is LONG GONE - ask me how I know.

I have only seen two such pads 'For Sale' in the last 10 years or so. Mine which it pictured here and the 'Other One' available to anyone for $2K Bucks which DOES NOT include shipping. Yes Ladies and Gentleman, that is a 2 with 3 zeros behind it.

Lets compare my NOS pad to the OEM 'Repop" pad in the interest of gaining knowledge about our cars.

82RZ

More NOS dash pad pics.......................

Can any 'Sharp-Eyed viewers notice any differances?

kymmee

My dash pad looks nothing like that. The speaker grilles and defrost vents are different. It was pulled from a low mileage 84 TA.

58mark

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no phillips on mine and the washer is captive

58mark

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that's because pontiacs have different pads. end of story

kymmee

Ok cool. Havent logged on for awhile. Thought it was for the TA. Has anyone bought the OER one for the TA?

58mark

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I've never seen one available, but I could be wrong

W.E.G.

Will the washer spin freely, or is it integral to the head of the screw?

58mark

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spins

82RZ

You are 100% Correct 58mark!

The Camaro and Bird pads are not the same and are NOT Interchangeable.

actarnoff

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If people can't find NOS pads, or are forced to pay 2k for a NOS pad, why isn't the OER pad a good alternative? I have in one in my car and very few people would notice that the grain isn't 100% identical. Otherwise, it fits fine and looks good.

Rob's 92 gta

My 92 gta has the speaker covers that can be removed. Is this the pad that would replace mine? It looks like the speaker covers are made into the pad. I would like to know because I may a pad for mine.

82RZ

Yes Rob, the speaker grills are molded into the pad itself for Camaro. The Bird grills are removable from what I've seen (someone correct me if I'am wrong).

Take a close look a the photos of my NOS pad (^^ above) and you'll see the speaker openings are really just cut-outs in the vinyl and under-laying urethane. They are NOT removable.

82RZ

^^ AMEN Scott! Couldn't have said it better myself.

Recently, I saw a 1968 NOS Camaro pad sell for $3800. Crazy some will say, but it went into a numbers matching 68 Yenko. So to review the numbers:

1. 68 NOS dash pad = $3800.
2. Restored numbers matching 68 Yenko = $500,000.

The numbers don't lie folks.

BTW, I've seen the restored Yenko in person and it is one VERY Beautiful car!

actarnoff

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As much as I love these cars, none of us will own a $500,000 third gen.

Johnny Blaze

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There will never be a $500,000 third gen.

82RZ

In Reality, How do you know?

actarnoff

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Is a Firehawk even worth that much? If the rarest of all third gens can't get that much money, no other can.

82RZ

Thats what the guys never thought of back in 1968-1969 when they bought COPOs, ZL1s, Yenkos, etc. to race, drive daily or take their 'Sweetie Pie' to the local 'Drive-In' on Saturday night and Hang-Out.

Will never be a $500,000 third gen you say?

How about a unmolested, numbers matching 1990 RS 'Drop Top' V8 , RPO 1FP87? Published production count is 728 built.

What will this car sell for 20 years from now in 2033?

82RZ

Sorry, you lost me.

Where is a Firehawk mentioned in this thread and please correct me if I'am wrong.

actarnoff

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It'll sell for as much as someone will pay for it, which as we all know, these days isn't very much. It certainly won't be $500,000.

IROCZTWENTYGR8

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For as close to stock as you're gonna get, I don't think the price is out of line for a show car/mint condition Third Gen. I don't think many people driving around what's left of the daily drivers and beat up ones would buy it though. I'm sure the company knows this and are catering to those that have better examples. I have a mint one and a driver, the money gets spent on the showcar, unless I decide to restore the other one.

The cars are getting rarer, the parts are getting rarer, the prices on both are gonna go up. There will be people that are going to buy the parts because they need them to restore and the companies know this. That's just the nature of it all unfortunately. There's gonna be a market for this and it will get bigger with time. If you think it's expensive now, just wait until they're 1st Gen age. They'll probably never reach rare 1st Gen price, but most cars never will, not even early 2nd Gens. Make no mistake, everything today will seem affordable compared to then, just like prices 10 years ago were more affordable. People will be priced out of Third Gens, it's going to happen. So try to get cars/parts while prices are still on the attainable side.

82RZ

Well said and so Very True!

I'am a little older then most of the guys around here and I watched it happen with the 1st gen cars. Believe me, Nobody back in the late 60s/ early 70s ever Dreamed their cars would be worth what they are today.

I applaud the owners that have nice drivers and/or show cars and Know High Quality Repop/NOS parts are NOT cheap. These are the cars that in the future the Jay Lenos' of the world will seek out and purchase.

Johnny Blaze

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3rd gen values will continue to rise, but there are no Yenko equivilents in the 3rd gen world.

Nothing even close to the rareness and pedigre.

actarnoff

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This 10^12

Everyone loves and adores 1st gens. Good examples of them are rare. Numbers matching even rarer. Production numbers were low (compared to third gens)

Now let's contrast that with third gens. The fanbase is small, 90% of us seem to have no money. People get good, desirable cars and destroy them with crappy mods, ebay parts, etc. The "rare" cars, which few people even know about, don't sell for much. For most people, 1LE, B4C, WS6, mean nothing. No one knows what a Turbo Trans Am is, and they can still be had, if you want one. The market for Third Gens will NEVER be what the first gen market is, ever. The rarest of them all, the Firehawk, will probably be the only third gen ever to bring on triple digits.

This idea that third gens will become the new first gens is just a fantasy.

Richboll

I disagree. First of all, the value of the 3rd gens will never rise to the heights of 1st gen's at least not in our lifetimes. But eventually they will increase in value. Just because they will get old and all of the ones that weren't taken care of will be gone. Of course that value will depend on what happens in the future automotive world. Hybrids, electrics, and maybe some other future innovations like fuel cells will definitely impact the value of our cars in the future. Heck, 30 years from now you may not be able to drive a fossil fueled, non-computer controlled (tell it where you want to go and then sit back and relax) type of vehicle.We don't know. So with that being said, drive it now and enjoy it. Don't try to anticipate future prices. If you like it keep it. If you don't and can sell it for a profit....do it. I've had a large number of 1st gens in the past and have had the opportunity to have had a number more but not having the foresight that hindsight brings, I let them all slip through my hands, but I do enjoy my 3rd Gen and will continue to enjoy it. When I don't, I will sell it. Just don't worry about what it may be worth in the future, worry about what it's worth to you now.

82RZ

You might want to do your homework on how many numbers matching 1st gens are out there. Believe me, they are around and perhaps you just don't know where to look.

Third gens will never become 1st gens? A fantasy?

Don't tell that to the 1991-92 Firehawk owners. These Birds fetch Big $$ when they do change hands. Published production counts are only 25.

82RZ

Lets Crunch the numbers:

1. Published counts on 1967-69 Yenkos = 267 and still counting.
2. Published counts on 1991-92 Firehawks = 25 and no longer counting.

Which series of cars is more rare?

actarnoff

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If you had read my post, you would have read that I exempted the Firehawk in the last paragraph. That is the ONLY third gen that will ever command Yenko numbers.

82RZ

How can you be So Sure what the Future will hold?

Lampropeltis

I agree with 82RZ; guys in the 60's and 70's never thought any of those rides would be worth a damn. Quite frankly, 64-73 mustangs I believe sold more units than all 3rd gens combined; if they didn't, they weren't too far off. Yet look at how much a plain Jane 6 cyl mustang in running condition will set you back; $7-9k easily. As for rare third gens; there are plenty of them; 1LE's are going to fetch high dollars for sure. Turbo t/a's will likely be worth a boatload of cash in another 15 years. Heck, I would even say an original 5spd tpi car with under 50k miles will likely fetch a pretty penny in the coming years - you really can't easily find that combo anymore. I'm willing to bet rare colors will be valuable - '88 burnt orange and Maui blue come to mind. And really any of the anniversary, pace car, or other low volume special editions (recaro or mse trans ams) will probably fetch some cash. Don't sell the third gens short. It is a very attractive design that I feel down the road will really lose the "******* ******" stigma with future generations. Heck I had people want to buy my car simply cause it was a "cool 80's car". So don't be too short sighted about them. But I will say I agree with one poster who mentioned the prices seemed to have come down. It appears to me they have overnthe past year just ot gone up or decreased a bit. I attribute that to LS1 fourth gens dropping in value; if youre in your early 20's and just want cheap speed, I think that's kind of a no brainer. But that will change. I say get what you can over the next five years and be ready.

Johnny Blaze

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No matter what your personal opinion is, this is all pure speculation and irrelevent to the product this thread is about.

scottmoyer

Can we stay on topic with this?

ternandes

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Anyone have any experience with Coverlay or other brands of dash cap covers? J.C. Whitney has them for a little over 100 bucks.

Richboll

If you are talking about the carpet style of cover. Check out Dashmat. Look at the different suppliers because there are differences in pricing and shipping. You should be able to get one for around $40. I have had a dashpad in every car I've owned for the ladt 20 years or so. It does a great job of protecting the dash. I take it off and use pledge to wipe down my dash and then put it back on. You don't even need to use the velcro strips if you use a ruler or thin paint stir stick to tuck it in between the windshield and the dash.

ternandes

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No I am not talking about the carpet style. This is a vinyl or plastic cover that is applied over the existing dash with a sealant of some kind.

http://www.jcwhitney.com/coverlay-re...829y1988g117j1

Richboll

Going back over the post I see that you are talking about one of the thin plastic dash caps. No, I haven't used one and almost everything I've read or heard about them is that eventually they warp. Warping is caused by the sun heating the plastic up and the inherent molded-in stresses are released. That said even if I put on a dash cap, I would use a dash mat to keep it covered. It may offer enough protection to keep it from getting warped

ternandes

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I copied and pasted the link for my 88 Firebird... for some reason the link takes you to a 71 Charger. I have no idea why.

W.E.G.

At the rate I'm going, I might SPEND $500K on my thirdgen, but it will never be worth that much.